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Remind me again why I teach...

Not all teachers got the bunce for training. Some fell into the period where you had to get loans to train but before the golden hellos etc started - consequently some teachers find themselves paying back loans etc working alongside those who got grants and golden hellos - more experience, longer in the job but less pay in real terms. Personally I can live on what I get so not that concerned except Im not that happy about the inconsistencies between sectors - for example if you teach A levels in FE you will be on worse terms and conditions than if you were in schools, and if you teach undergrads in FE you earn less than Uni - even with same quals. Having said that my hat is constantly off to anyone who teaches in primary or secondary - I realise that rarely having to raise my voice with my lot is a luxury.

Dont get me started on managers in education, once that rant starts its hard to stop, feeling my goats getting up already. Can.t say Ive noticed any specific weight for them but Cilla Black influenced accessorising and being an arse seems to be highly correlated.
 
spanglechick said:
some of us got nothing to train, no help with our loans, and no golden hello. you lot are so jammy!

actually, this really does stick in my craw. not that i resent your having it, but it seems unfair that i accrued significant debts in my early twenties and have had to devote lots of my salary paying for that without any extra in my paypacket.

:mad:


i know, i know. but if it makes you feel any better they are now offering London NQTs a higher salary so when the NQTs come next year they will be on the same money as me :(

and any bonus i do get i consider as compensation for having my shoulder broken last year :p
 
and in actual fact...

i was answering the OP's question: why did she become a teacher....

not why you old fogies with your leather patched tweed jackets and coffee breath did it!!!!
:p
 
ok, treefrog - it is shit - but they know it's going to be hard that's why (i hope) you're on the reduced NQT timetable.

I have always said thae first term as an NQT is beyond the hard work of the PGCE - but it will turn a corner in the new year.

I know you feel like you're running to stand still. That feeling doesn't change much (although you will become a little more efficient) - but you will grow to care less.

I remember feeling desperately concerned that i never got everything done. Now I expect it.

You will also care a hell of a lot less when the kids are little shits. I mean i'm sure it usually doesn't get to you anyway, but the times when it does will become fewer, and you will care much much less.

that attitude will be evident to the kids, and they'll stop wanting to wind you up. You'll also develop your own style of "I take no shit" attitude to give out to them - because once you really, really have that, classroom control becomes much easier.

for now, try to think of a school year as a short unit of time, repeated many many times in your career. every time you complete your unit of work, you'll get exponetially better. keep your eye on the bigger picture.

sounds like your school isn't ideal. some schools are nicer. keep the long view. before the end of this year (summer term) do some stuff that will look good on your cv. spend some time in the second year build your cv in other areas.

marking and planning is a bastard. no question. i do my planning before school (I always get in an hour before registration - it's good, productive time) and in my frees. marking i do in the evenings before i go home. If i get behind, i mark over lunch. I refuse to take work home. Unless it's a big load of coursework or something, I refuse to work weekends. but i do end up staying at school til 7/8pm quite often.

i teach english, drama and pfa (personal finamcial awareness - to a study skills class)
I have five english sets, and if we assume ten minutes per book once a fortnight - that's 25 hours (with my gcse classes that can fluctuate up and down).
then I have five drama sets and the pfa class. - more like five mins once a fortnight - another 15 hours.

that's 40 hours extra every fortnight - another full week's work (or 4 hours per evening). I bet you're spending longer than that - NQTs often do.

On top of that at the moment I have another 40 hours of assessment papers to mark by mid october.:eek:

marking is shit. it annoys the fuck out of me as an english teacher that we have to spend twice as long as a lot of other subjects on marking and recieve no credit. but nqt's seem to spend ages on their marking so i'm not vexed by you.

but don't make it hard for yourself. you can assess their knowlege orally sometimes (ask them to give a presentation?) sometimes they can mark each other's work. make sure you set lots of homeworks that aren't about producing written work (that's good practice anyway).

you'll get there, angel. you will. we all did.
 
btw - you became a teacher, i hope - because teenagers are actually pretty interesting to be around. try to remind yourself of that. you are an important part of their development into adults - and that's not just what you teach them about your subject and the qualifications they get.

it's a good job. it's important and influential and satisfying.

:D
 
What Spanglechick said. First term as a NQT is utterly overwhelming - all the stuff that was set up in other people's classes (routines etc) all have to be done from scratch, you're usually teaching stuff for the first time & have to make resources from scratch, the children are testing the boundaries because you're new... this and a million other things will get on top of you. Doing your NQT year in a not-so-well-run school can also add to your stress. I did mine in a total fucking madhouse, run by a spineless hippy cunt with no understanding that children need boundaries. That was fun...

Little by little, it will get easier - every plan, every lesson improves you as a professional, even the really shitty ones that go tits-up. Especially the ones that go tits-up! Stick with it if you possibly can, because when it works, the satisfaction is priceless, in all senses of the word.
 
Maddalene said:
I think this thread has effectively put me off teaching not that I was seriously considering it.

this thread has confirmed that i am not teaching in england till i'm old:D
 
Fucking horrible day today- I went in with all the pep and vim that I could muster, only to have a class find out I was a miss not a mrs. Cue aggressive questioning about my personal life and me going all glassy-eyed and tight-jawed (either become a robot or a gibbering mess). Got home and just crumpled :( :( Then had to go to the docs for one of those horribly unpleasant women things. Too knackered, sore and dispirited to do any work tonight, I'm off to bed.

What everybody's saying is true and I'm trying to focus on all the positive stuff, but by god I hate those little shits right now for making me feel this bad.

Night all, and thanks again for the kind words.
 
What questions were they asking you to get you upset?

I hope tomorrow goes better for you and remember that tomorrow's thursday and thursday = almost friday which = almost weekend ;)

(((((treefrog)))))
 
I dunno. My teaching job is pretty chilled.

All planning done. All marking done. Can go home at 2.30 with no work at home.

Lovely kids.

Great lifestyle.

Big holidays.

I only teach untill 10.05 tommorrow, then its frees to do may marking, plannig etc.

But then I teach abroad.:rolleyes:
 
treefrog said:
Fucking horrible day today- I went in with all the pep and vim that I could muster, only to have a class find out I was a miss not a mrs. Cue aggressive questioning about my personal life and me going all glassy-eyed and tight-jawed (either become a robot or a gibbering mess). Got home and just crumpled :( :( Then had to go to the docs for one of those horribly unpleasant women things. Too knackered, sore and dispirited to do any work tonight, I'm off to bed.

What everybody's saying is true and I'm trying to focus on all the positive stuff, but by god I hate those little shits right now for making me feel this bad.

Night all, and thanks again for the kind words.
Your feelings are why I never went for teaching.

I could never carry the stress of that many teenagers being as bad as I used to be. but I was never like that with the teachers I liked. Guess its about finding that.

Good luck and sleep well
 
treefrog said:
Fucking horrible day today- I went in with all the pep and vim that I could muster, only to have a class find out I was a miss not a mrs. Cue aggressive questioning about my personal life and me going all glassy-eyed and tight-jawed (either become a robot or a gibbering mess). Got home and just crumpled :( :( Then had to go to the docs for one of those horribly unpleasant women things. Too knackered, sore and dispirited to do any work tonight, I'm off to bed.

What everybody's saying is true and I'm trying to focus on all the positive stuff, but by god I hate those little shits right now for making me feel this bad.

Night all, and thanks again for the kind words.

you will, of course deal with it your own way - but fwiw, here's my tactics

i find being open and light about personal questions works best for me. if they cross the line, i let them know with a smile - i say something like "thanks for your interest, but it's not a conversation i'm going to have with you" - if they ask more than two acceptable questions in a row, i tell them they can ask me again once all the work is done. - same for any other side-tracking conversation.

don't let them take the role of adversary or enemy before/unless you have to. their interest in you is natural and normal. teenagers are curious buggers. it's (imho) a good thing. they just neecd to be told where the boundaries are.

don't be defensive - don't tell them off (unless you've told with a smile that they should stop asking, and they ignore that).
 
Everyone feels knackered at school at the moment. I got lots of stress unloaded onto me in the middle managers meeting for ages (and these are my mates who I go drinking with) because they feel under pressure. I can confidently say I've never been under as much pressure as now in my career, and I know the new starters are feeling it.

I'm not really sure why, but it feels like everything is coming at once... this is, of course, SLTs fault (me!).

It used to be that people were knackered in November and February. Let's hope this is instead of then, rather than as well of, though it really is hope rather than expect...
 
treefrog said:
Fucking horrible day today- I went in with all the pep and vim that I could muster, only to have a class find out I was a miss not a mrs. Cue aggressive questioning about my personal life and me going all glassy-eyed and tight-jawed (either become a robot or a gibbering mess). Got home and just crumpled :( :( Then had to go to the docs for one of those horribly unpleasant women things. Too knackered, sore and dispirited to do any work tonight, I'm off to bed.

What everybody's saying is true and I'm trying to focus on all the positive stuff, but by god I hate those little shits right now for making me feel this bad.

Night all, and thanks again for the kind words.

Lots of people don't reveal anything about their life. I've always told the kids that I'm married (or not when I wasn't) and have no kids and that I like football, politics, and music. And not much else. It doesn't tend to come up, though maybe it did when I was young.

Try to see the next day as a new one - I mean not to be weighed down by yesterday. Expecting crap lessons usually produces them!
 
I have always been of the opinion that 'teachers' are the very last who want to learn. My school experience may have been the foundation of that belief, but the many years since have only served to confirm that opinion.
 
Lock&Light said:
I have always been of the opinion that 'teachers' are the very last who want to learn. My school experience may have been the foundation of that belief, but the many years since have only served to confirm that opinion.

What the hell does that mean?
 
Lock&Light said:
I have always been of the opinion that 'teachers' are the very last who want to learn. My school experience may have been the foundation of that belief, but the many years since have only served to confirm that opinion.
how does this relate or contribute to the subject matter of the OP? or any subsequent posts?

have you read the contributions made by teachers to this thread?

do you wish to learn, or have you already made your mind up?
 
tangerinedream said:
What the hell does that mean?

It was a comment written in English.

I, personally, have no reason to trust teachers, and so such a comment might well be expected from me. It wasn't written in Chinese.
 
Lock&Light said:
It was a comment written in English.

I, personally, have no reason to trust teachers, and so such a comment might well be expected from me. It wasn't written in Chinese.

I have no idea why you think that's relevant. But then that's expected from you.
 
nonamenopackdrill said:
Lots of people don't reveal anything about their life. I've always told the kids that I'm married (or not when I wasn't) and have no kids and that I like football, politics, and music. And not much else. It doesn't tend to come up, though maybe it did when I was young.

Try to see the next day as a new one - I mean not to be weighed down by yesterday. Expecting crap lessons usually produces them!

Agreed. You can get home feeling awful but get a decent kip and teach some great lessons the next day, on the minimum of prep, but with energy and self belief. You can't keep doing that of course and it's very hard at first.

Having a few things in reserve for the times when you really can't get it together is good. I have collated a few brilliant 'fall back' resources that are educational and relevant but I don't need to do very much. Chapters of books to summarise (I know in a sixth form it's easy, easy!) and relevent videos to take notes on. Again, you can only get away with this if you do it every now and again but it's lovely knowing you have something in the bag.

Finally - nnpd is spot on - when I first started the kids were obsessed with my life and the fact I was single, then when I wasn't any more absolutely obsessed with who she was and how we met, to a point I got sick of it. Now they couldn't give a shit - I presume this is because I have learnt to not give much away, or to reveal my feelings on those things.

I am shattered - largely because of the ridiculous assessment schedule that is unworkable, but we have to blag to make it look like it does work (fucking SMT and Middle management:mad: ;) ) and the fact I seem to teach in a different room every session and am teaching a completely new subject. However, I have to say I do on balance appreciate it more than hate it.
 
Lock&Light said:
It was a comment written in English.

I, personally, have no reason to trust teachers, and so such a comment might well be expected from me. It wasn't written in Chinese.

No, but without context, words are largely meaningless. A language is only an indicator of meaning beneath it and unless you elucidate, I cannot possibly get anything meaningful from it. What is it teachers don't want to learn?, what were your experiences and why have they been confirmed by your post education experiences? Why do you feel able to lump all teachers in as one, despite major changes in education (i presume) since your schooling and now? Is it the system that creates the attitude or is it one that is ingrained in the psyche of even the NQT?

There is much to discuss should you wish
 
Treefrog.. last year on my placement, I got the whole personal Q thing. I wear a ring on my 3rd left hand finger. I suppose it's a kind of engagement ring.. but neither gaijinboy or I are really the wedding type. We may well do it one day but who knows?

Anyway, I managed to field most personal Qs pretty well. But one day, whilst being particulary harrassed I had a whole class of yr 7 asking if I was engaged.. so I said yes.

For the rest of the term I had 2 particular girls asking if they could be my bridesmaids - quite seriously. :D (so sweet) Then when I left they made a huge poster/card thing with individual messages.... 50% of which said "have a lovely wedding"... :D

oops...

Not sure what I'll say when I end up back there, as I most probably will on supply! :eek:
 
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