Remembering the Nakba

[GarfieldLeChat]

ah rach you managed to keep your nastier racist undertone vaugly in check but now we come to keeping the blood line pure as you defense of the actions of Israel...

dearie me.

here's some straw clutch at it gwan...

 

[rachamim18]

Tangent:"If 5 generations is not enough...": Except that those places like Hungary,etc. are the homes of SOME of the ancestors of SOME of the "Setters" who ancestry actually giuves them a lineage directly related to the land in question predating the existence of the first Arab by almost 2 millenia. Not first Arab on that land, but in existence.

Furthermore, SOME "Settlers" come from clans like mine which never even left the land but have been there for 4000 odd years.

ALL Arabs however DO NOT come from that land.

When land is claimed by two parties, all other things being equal (although they certainly are not in this case), judges consider who posessed the land first. This is EXACTLY why the question of how long Arabs have been on the land is important....AND YET, /israel was compassionate enough to agree to share their own land, not only share it but with the Arabs getting 70% of it, and the bulk of arable land...did they not?

"Entitled tot heir narrative.": Yes, escept it is based on and maintained by lies that directly effect the nature of my nation's existence. As hey are entitled to their narrative, am I not entitled to mine? So why do yoy challenge the right only when the perspective disturbs you?

The thanks? Almost a centiry of murder and terror.

"Herded into Gaza.": Except that Arabs nbegan occupying this tradiotnally Jewish land in the 1830s when expanding Egyptian power under Ali Pasha motivated many to migrate north from Egypt. They have been there since, as have others who ran to Egypt, who of course has controlled that land until 67 when they refused to take it back...Sick of "Palestinian" terrorism they abandoned it.

 

[nino_savatte]

Relying on Y Chromosomal Modality and cranial dimensions...

...to justify one's claim to territory is little better than this:

Phrenology was practiced by some scientists promoting racist ideologies, including Nazism. They used phrenological claims, among other biological evidence, as a scientific basis for Aryan racial superiority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology

 

[goldenecitrone]

I also discuss it because a minority on the board claim that Jews form a religion but not a nationalor ethnic group and this is why I remind them that there is a close gentic link as well as more than 4000 genetic diseases either specific to or mainly afflicting Jews.

 

[rachamim18]

Tangent:"It is irrelevant what "Palestinians" call themselves now.": No, it is not. It is directly tied to their nationalistic aspirations. It alsosuggests that they have existed as a people for more than half a century, their actual time in existence. Facts are facts, as unpalatable as some may find them.

"Distinction through dress and social custom.": Every village in the entire Mid-East shared this trait, it does not denote a distinct identity.

As for distinct social customs, what which ones are distinct?


As for your belief on nationalism, wrong again. We fought for our homeland, entire land, as far back as 3000 odd years ago. It was unfiried kingdom, not a city state. The attachment to the land was not imposed upon landless peons but was cherished and defended by almost all its Jewish inhabitants.

 

[nino_savatte]

I also discuss it because a minority on the board claim that Jews form a religion but not a nationalor ethnic group and this is why I remind them that there is a close gentic link as well as more than 4000 genetic diseases either specific to or mainly afflicting Jews.

What? All Jews feel this way? Perhaps you should explain that to some of my friends because they don't agree with you...and I don't blame them either.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Except that Arabs nbegan occupying this tradiotnally Jewish land in the 1830s when expanding Egyptian power under Ali Pasha motivated many to migrate north from Egypt.

point to that on a map would you...

so easliy disproved...

liar.

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: How does Israeli discriminate? Some minorities, like Israeli-Arabs actually have extra rights. Please be clear.

"Forced population transfer.": Are you talking of the 1,000,000 Jews from Arab lands like my family who became refugees?

"Acknowledge the existence of "Palestine.": This was first done in 1919 and has been formally repeated time and again as it is with the current govt., not because they have a historical or even legal right at this point but because of humantiarian concerns.

Nino: Cranial dimesnaions are not neccessarily related to eugenics. They ARe used anthropologically today to determine ethnicity and the anthropological definition of race...not prove intelligence or aptitude as you imply.

Citrone: The Nazi shtick is not only reprehensible but passe. It is so old and boring aleady, South African analogies passed it by long ago, get with it.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Cranial dimesnaions are not neccessarily related to eugenics. They ARe used anthropologically today to determine ethnicity and the anthropological definition of race...not prove intelligence or aptitude as you imply.

No, in this case, they're employed by you to justify racial superiority. I would like you to find me a credible scientific source that makes use of "cranial dimensions" as a determining marker of ethnicity.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: "All Jews feel...": Who EVER said that? You seem to be less and less in touch with actual subject matter.

Garifeld: Sorry, but a map of Jewish retrunees is not going to cut it when Jews first lived there how long ago? 4000 years ago? How long? ALL THAT TIME?

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: "All Jews feel...": Who EVER said that? You seem to be less and less in touch with actual subject matter.

You implied it or are you trying to claim otherwise? It's you who isn't "in touch" with the subject matter. What do your ramblings about Y chromosomal modalities have to do with the OP?

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Check Dieneks' blog to see the results of the 2005 Society minutes, or the Oxford journal or whatever you want. Most people are aware of this very basic first semester fact Nino. Here, I will help you, the following Google key phrase should do it:cranial dimesnsions used in anthropology used to determine ethnicty. Getr you a few thousand sources. Sorry but I have a problem with hyperlinks as with the 2 day old post in the other forum. The phrase however should satisfy you and I am sure even you can spare a few seconds to check it. An apology afterwards would be grand but i will settle for you simply learning something true.

See, Nino, my degree is in Ethno Botany and is anthropologically related and it was in fact my second choice in majors. Know just a tad bit about it. Just soemthing to keep in mind when hurling those childish insults.

 

[rachamim18]

"Implied it.": ESP is cool but I am nost sure it exists. Lucky if you really have it of course.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Check Dieneks' blog to see the results of the 2005 Society minutes, or the Oxford journal or whatever you want. Most people are aware of this very basic first semester fact Nino. Here, I will help you, the following Google key phrase should do it:cranial dimesnsions used in anthropology used to determine ethnicty. Getr you a few thousand sources. Sorry but I have a problem with hyperlinks as with the 2 day old post in the other forum. The phrase however should satisfy you and I am sure even you can spare a few seconds to check it. An apology afterwards would be grand but i will settle for you simply learning something true.

See, Nino, my degree is in Ethno Botany and is anthropologically related and it was in fact my second choice in majors. Know just a tad bit about it. Just soemthing to keep in mind when hurling those childish insults.

How about posting up a link? Not that whatever you're going to post isn't going to be unassailable....that is to say, it cannot be challenged because the work conducted was infallible in every aspect.

I see you've added a degree in "Ethno Botany" to your list of 'qualifications'. Whatever next? This? Oh aye.

Sorry but I have a problem with hyperlinks

How convenient for you.

 

[nino_savatte]

"Implied it.": ESP is cool but I am nost sure it exists. Lucky if you really have it of course.

You can read, I take it? The word "implied" is correct in this context but all you can do is engage in semantic pedantry. Tut tut.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino:Sorry my education threatens you but there is always the actual subject to get your mind off of your problems! A simnple typing of the proffered phrase would do.

"Problem with hyperlinks.": And yet despite it, I was able to prove my contention that thread so why not stop being insulting and actually study the subject you claim to understand? Quite simple really.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino:Sorry my education threatens you but there is always the actual subject to get your mind off of your problems! A simnple typing of the proffered phrase would do.

"Problem with hyperlinks.": And yet despite it, I was able to prove my contention that thread so why not stop being insulting and actually study the subject you claim to understand? Quite simple really.

Your what does what to me? ROTFLMAO!!!! You're more than just arrogant if you think your 'education' threatens me. How insecure must you be to trot out nonsense like that?

You use this 'problem' with hyperlinks to avoid dealing with any points that are put to you or when you are asked to provide evidence for your flights of fancy.

No insults here...but then you tend to chuck out "ad hom" whenever anyone puts you on the spot.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: I am obviously a bit older than you sdo please take it lightly with Computerspeak. I do not understand the shorthand nonsense.

"Problem with hyperlinks.": A question would have sufficed, as in "what kind of problem?": Of course that is not as fun as insulting people you do not know but then...

my problem I believe stems from didgy PHilippine ISPs. I type the urls and they never work although soemtimes other Urbaners take pity and help me figure it out instead of using it as an excuse for insults.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: I am obviously a bit older than you sdo please take it lightly with Computerspeak. I do not understand the shorthand nonsense.

"Problem with hyperlinks.": A question would have sufficed, as in "what kind of problem?": Of course that is not as fun as insulting people you do not know but then...

my problem I believe stems from didgy PHilippine ISPs. I type the urls and they never work although soemtimes other Urbaners take pity and help me figure it out instead of using it as an excuse for insults.

More excuses! Do you have a 6,500 page volume of handy excuses and escape clauses?

According to the [suspect] information that you have provided about yourself, it is you who is younger than me. But that's immaterial, you're being evasive. If you can use the Internet, you can post hyperlinks. Don't use the Philippines as an escape clause for your mendacious behaviour.

other Urbaners take pity and help me figure it out instead of using it as an excuse for insults.

Bullshit. I'd get that violin checked out too.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Nino: "All Jews feel...": Who EVER said that? You seem to be less and less in touch with actual subject matter.

Garifeld: Sorry, but a map of Jewish retrunees is not going to cut it when Jews first lived there how long ago? 4000 years ago? How long? ALL THAT TIME?

but i'm reffering clearly to your quote claiming that they were there in the 1800's they weren't.

you're lying again.

every which way left lie right lie straight ahead lie back lie...

you aren't even vaugley credible inside your own head now...

left alone anywhere else.

and you are making an utter arse out of yourself.

 

[Red Faction]

where are the christian arabs that once lived there rachamim?

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Although the Philippines, specially Mindanao does have alot of problems, my own problem is my boradband setuo but thansk for caring.

If I am 41, and you are older than me, why would your nanny stilll set parental controls to keep you off that evil Cartoon Network and Yahoo Games site? I do not understand. You are what? 50? How old is your nanny and when will your caregiver get you the help you need. Anyway, I will pray for you.


Oh, I want to thank you for the computr lesson but pray tell, a hyperlink sans "www," that does not function when "www" is added, how do you fix that? Is it a server problem? A lack of knowledge (my guess) on my part? Or just your usual piss and vinegar trashing a thread issue? Perhaps you can be sweet again, middle age does that does it not? And help this ignorant fellow oldster out.

Thanks in advance.

"Violin checked." Better than "tulips on organs," as you have intimated but then flowes on keybaords are alwasy attractive, right tweedle dee?

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: I am trying to understand you (seriously). You provide a map of Jewish "Settlements" in the early 1870s, yes? Then asl me to point to what on the map, Jewish "Settlements?" First off, if that is your thing, Jews first conquered it under the Davidic Monarchy about 300 years before Arabs even exited as a people , let alone dreamed of leaving Hejaz.

Secondly, not all Jewish habitacion, obviously, were or are "Settlementsd." The whole ideas of "Setlements" is ridiculous outside of using the term to denote post 67 "Settler Movement" dynamics. As stated, my own family has been in Hebron, or was until 1929, since the Bible.All Jews in the land are not returning or returnees.

HOWEVER, even though I can tell you Judah conquered it entirely, that Jews were the only inhabitants aside from Byzentine soldiers when it fell first to Arabs in 630 CE, and so on, that indeed there , as you call them, "Settlements" but that they came only in 46 and left in 48, that being 1946 Ce. See, when my own clan was massacarred in Hebron in 29, same thing happened in Gaza City.

You want to talk about "occupiers," talk about Arabs. I do not see any Jews living in the Hejaz...of course no Jew may even enter Saudi Arabai by law but that is another can of worms.

Wait, I thought you visited both my nation and Gaza, one would think you would know these very, very basic facts. Hmmm....

 

[rachamim18]

Red: You measn where the Christain Arabs of Gaza? Well, when their churches are not getting firebombed because of something a Pope ays or does, ony a miniscule amount are even Catholic in any variety of the faith, or getting guns stuck in faces as they must pay "dhimmi" taxes are lose a child, I suppose they are secretly begging Israel to get them the hell out of there. My prayers are with them.

 

[rachamim18]

PS: Some still live there sadly, in case that was the question.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Although the Philippines, specially Mindanao does have alot of problems, my own problem is my boradband setuo but thansk for caring.

If I am 41, and you are older than me, why would your nanny stilll set parental controls to keep you off that evil Cartoon Network and Yahoo Games site? I do not understand. You are what? 50? How old is your nanny and when will your caregiver get you the help you need. Anyway, I will pray for you.


Oh, I want to thank you for the computr lesson but pray tell, a hyperlink sans "www," that does not function when "www" is added, how do you fix that? Is it a server problem? A lack of knowledge (my guess) on my part? Or just your usual piss and vinegar trashing a thread issue? Perhaps you can be sweet again, middle age does that does it not? And help this ignorant fellow oldster out.

Thanks in advance.

"Violin checked." Better than "tulips on organs," as you have intimated but then flowes on keybaords are alwasy attractive, right tweedle dee?

You're one of the worst liars that I have ever seen grace these boards. Lay off the horse, it's messing up your mind...as this post rather aptly demonstrates.

 

[Red Faction]

Red: You measn where the Christain Arabs of Gaza? Well, when their churches are not getting firebombed because of something a Pope ays or does, ony a miniscule amount are even Catholic in any variety of the faith, or getting guns stuck in faces as they must pay "dhimmi" taxes are lose a child, I suppose they are secretly begging Israel to get them the hell out of there. My prayers are with them.

no, that wasnt what i was getting at

the term christian arabs is a bit of a misnomer,
but presumably any jews who convert cant really be described as jewish christians

you country is directly responsible for a sectarian war which has driven so many from their homes
and those that remain live in such terrible circumstances

clearly it is israel's fault, yet you blame it on the arabs

 

[goldenecitrone]

Citrone: The Nazi shtick is not only reprehensible but passe. It is so old and boring aleady, South African analogies passed it by long ago, get with it.

Appealing to genetics to justify 'a people' always seems like a bit of a sad argument to me. But stick with it if it makes you happy.

 

[rachamim18]

Red: Sectarian war? You equate the dynamic with religious dissension. This is not 18th Century Francy. Israel is a secular nation with millions of Arab citizens.

As for pushing people from their homes, sorry you accept propaganda at face value but then your screename says alot, yes? Thing is, Israel is as alcose to communist as it gets , or was that way for most of its life, while Arabs paid lip service to Marxism. Arafat? Habash? Suuuuure.

Arabs lost homes, yet we have over 2.2 million with pasports so it is surely not as cut and dry as you imagine. Perhaps you might think about it some more?

"Christian Arab is a misnomer.": Why? Most WERE before being forcibly converted to Islam, and many remain so.

"Clearly Israel's fault.": Yes, existence does that does it not? Read he HAMAS Charter and let me know what your views are then.

 

[rachamim18]

Citrone: "Justify a people.": Jews need no justification. It is actual science, not euygenics,etc. If you are threatened by the concept of a planet that revolves, prisms of light, and the Space Shuttle I am sorry but this is reality.

Nino: But the pony is so cute. i do not prohibit you fromcollecting snakes do I? One eyed wiggly worms? Then why can I not be allowed just this one vice, riding ponies? I bought a nw saddle, learned to canter, even got a smart English Fox amd Hounds (you Brits are always SO humane) outfit to match my English saddle!