Remembering 9/11
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
No. I am neither sentimental about the WTC nor unmoved by atrocities carried out by Pinochet.
But I do have nothing else to offer this thread. More and more posts where I say that what I'm objecting to is you being rude when someone has posted about an event that happened on 11th September that you weren't interested in, followed by you posting that my objections to that are in fact me being upset at you talking about Pinochet seem a little pointless.
It's my flatmate's birthday too, Charlie.
You're so holier-than-thou.
Bye.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Choosing to ignore things
which many English either ignore or forget -equally valid
All on here including you Nino, choose to ignore forget or belittle ithe way the English destroyed Scotland over the centuries, you choose you remember the Irish potato famine and the abuse of the Irish people while entirely ignoring the Highland clearnaces, the famines in Scotland that caused the Scottish diapora, the theft of the monies raised via Scottish oil, the fucking lot.
That you S-P for bringing this vicotry over over the Dnaich/German/Viking immigrants who put this country to the bloody sword!!!!!!!
which many English either ignore or forget -equally valid
All on here including you Nino, choose to ignore forget or belittle ithe way the English destroyed Scotland over the centuries, you choose you remember the Irish potato famine and the abuse of the Irish people while entirely ignoring the Highland clearnaces, the famines in Scotland that caused the Scottish diapora, the theft of the monies raised via Scottish oil, the fucking lot.
That you S-P for bringing this vicotry over over the Dnaich/German/Viking immigrants who put this country to the bloody sword!!!!!!!
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Fucking-A.
internetstalker
Get naked!
It's the 11th of September not the September of 11th
1911?
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Uhh, no the Vikings did not "put this country to the bloody sword"!
Sure they killed priests and the like (who wrote the history of the times) but the evidence shows they by and large settled peacefully and intermarried locals. Nor did the the Anglo-Saxons drive the Celts into the hills -- that's just another historical myth.
For a long and very thorough account of immigration into the British Isles (these islands were completely uninhabited through the last ice age) "Origins of the British" by Stephen Oppenheimer is a comprehensive read.
Or here's an overview of Myths of British Ancestry
Sure they killed priests and the like (who wrote the history of the times) but the evidence shows they by and large settled peacefully and intermarried locals. Nor did the the Anglo-Saxons drive the Celts into the hills -- that's just another historical myth.
For a long and very thorough account of immigration into the British Isles (these islands were completely uninhabited through the last ice age) "Origins of the British" by Stephen Oppenheimer is a comprehensive read.
Or here's an overview of Myths of British Ancestry
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Uhh, no the Vikings did not "put this country to the bloody sword"!
Sure they killed priests and the like (who wrote the history of the times) but the evidence shows they by and large settled peacefully and intermarried locals. Nor did the the Anglo-Saxons drive the Celts into the hills -- that's just another historical myth.
For a long and very thorough account of immigration into the British Isles (these islands were completely uninhabited through the last ice age) "Origins of the British" by Stephen Oppenheimer is a comprehensive read.
Or here's an overview of Myths of British Ancestry
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Jonti -Totally Correct
They couldn't have done as they did not have the numerically strenght to do so
I( agree with the bit about the monks being biaseed in their accounts, it was in their interest to big up the carnage past, but it is true to say that there was a general teror amongnst the Brits of Viking raids, which as they were theiving raids, tended toward the violent and very nasty. The Viking/Danish settlers in what is now Yorkshire were different, essentially farmers etc, they did in fact usrp the country from its originalCelt inhabitants get to 1066 both Harolds and William were of Danish/Viking descent - it was the ruling class which had changed - all thet Arthurian bollocks is based on the wars that did take place as as the rulers, and the language was changed
So no, they didn't top everyone, but they did kill quite a few, they became top dogs and once they'd got that settled they attacked the Irish Scoti who had done to the Picts in Scotland (note the name change from Caledonia) what they had done to the Brtinos who had been the Icenii, Briganti, Belgae to the south
They couldn't have done as they did not have the numerically strenght to do so
I( agree with the bit about the monks being biaseed in their accounts, it was in their interest to big up the carnage past, but it is true to say that there was a general teror amongnst the Brits of Viking raids, which as they were theiving raids, tended toward the violent and very nasty. The Viking/Danish settlers in what is now Yorkshire were different, essentially farmers etc, they did in fact usrp the country from its originalCelt inhabitants get to 1066 both Harolds and William were of Danish/Viking descent - it was the ruling class which had changed - all thet Arthurian bollocks is based on the wars that did take place as as the rulers, and the language was changed
So no, they didn't top everyone, but they did kill quite a few, they became top dogs and once they'd got that settled they attacked the Irish Scoti who had done to the Picts in Scotland (note the name change from Caledonia) what they had done to the Brtinos who had been the Icenii, Briganti, Belgae to the south
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gaslit at scale.
To be fair I think it's ok mentioning the various atrocities that have happened on the 11th of september through history. The ones that are most striking are naturaly the ones that are most recent, and they give context to eachover. It's inhuman not to remember the death of over three thousand people on september 11th 2001, and it's also inhuman to not remember the deaths of the hundreds of thousands that were tortured and killed on september the 11th 1973. To remember one atrocity and not another is diabolical.
However atrocities from hundreds of years ago are from such a different world that although worth mentioning, they tell us very little, or nothing at all about the world we live in today. The world we live in today is (as has been the case in the past) one where the lives of some are held as being superior in importance to the lives of others.
The average American for instance, when asked how many people died in the Vietnam war, will reply 58, 000. This is because in the American mind as structured by their state and their media and education-system, non-Americans are barely considered people at all. So resist remembering 9/11 2001 while ignoring 9/11 1973, lets try and affirm the value of human life, recognize crimes and atrocities as crimes and atrocities.
However atrocities from hundreds of years ago are from such a different world that although worth mentioning, they tell us very little, or nothing at all about the world we live in today. The world we live in today is (as has been the case in the past) one where the lives of some are held as being superior in importance to the lives of others.
The average American for instance, when asked how many people died in the Vietnam war, will reply 58, 000. This is because in the American mind as structured by their state and their media and education-system, non-Americans are barely considered people at all. So resist remembering 9/11 2001 while ignoring 9/11 1973, lets try and affirm the value of human life, recognize crimes and atrocities as crimes and atrocities.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Unfortunately events from hundreds of years have a way of resonating down the centuries - the battle of Boyne is as alive in some hearts today as it was nearly 400 years ago.
What the long term effects of any event are is impossible to tell while we are still close to them in time - Pearl harbour, Roosevelts "day of infamy" seems to no longer to the carry the wieght it once did.
Chou En Lai was asked on a vist to France in the 60s what he thought about the French Revolution - he replied that it was "too early to tell"
I suspect that the US over-reaction to 11/07/01 was because they feel very seperate from the rest of the world, they have two borders with countries that will never threaten them and the worlds largest oceans to keep the rest at bay. It allows them to think of all the wars they has been involved in the abstract and the death and destruction do not really touch them in the same way.
The Twin Towers and the Pentagon in flames were thus so much more vivd and real they went bonkers
What the long term effects of any event are is impossible to tell while we are still close to them in time - Pearl harbour, Roosevelts "day of infamy" seems to no longer to the carry the wieght it once did.
Chou En Lai was asked on a vist to France in the 60s what he thought about the French Revolution - he replied that it was "too early to tell"
I suspect that the US over-reaction to 11/07/01 was because they feel very seperate from the rest of the world, they have two borders with countries that will never threaten them and the worlds largest oceans to keep the rest at bay. It allows them to think of all the wars they has been involved in the abstract and the death and destruction do not really touch them in the same way.
The Twin Towers and the Pentagon in flames were thus so much more vivd and real they went bonkers
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
fractionMan
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Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Georgi Markov died on this date in 1978,one of the most infamous assassinations of the Cold War,death by umbrella
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Yankee go home!
Looks like Bolivia and Venezuela have marked the anniversary of the Pinochet coup by expelling imperialists from their countries. Good for them:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/12/venezuela.usa
Looks like Bolivia and Venezuela have marked the anniversary of the Pinochet coup by expelling imperialists from their countries. Good for them:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/12/venezuela.usa
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Rainingstairs
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ok, ahem. I am glad for the [insert random, obscure and forgetful historical event here] and the impact that it had on that country 100 years ago. What I really want is for you to continue to belittle and disgrace the thousands of lives lost by burning/crushing/plummeting to their deaths---a moment so fresh in our minds still because your and my countrymen continue to battle it out in the middle east every day (on no apparent moral high ground). YOU TOOL!!!!
Johnny Canuck3
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Lots of important dates from Bolivia. Like 10-9.
That's the day that Bolivian soldiers killed Che Guevara.
That's the day that Bolivian soldiers killed Che Guevara.
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