Religion n politics
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if6were9 said:But they are not your ideas are they?
Unless you're saying you're some kind of new prophet? Are you saying that fela? That these ideas just 'came to you?' In which case maybe you are
Well look mate, it's up to you, but they quite simply are my ideas. Where they've come from is a much wider question, but due to the particular context i was living in a few years ago, i came to realise that nothing actually matters in our lives. The result is a much lighter life, with very little seriousness in it. The ideas didn't just come to me, they are the result of the previous rest of my life. At any one time we are who we are based on the sum of all our previous experiences. 'Nothing matters' came from that previous sum mate.
And don't go down the path of trying to label me! That is a very british thing to do. I am not saying who i am, and will never say that. I am just posting up my ideas for people to reject, accept, or ponder over. Nobody can ever know who i am on this website, they can only know what i think at the time i post.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
I don't want to derail, but I think this fits.
As a civil servant i'm not allowed to do anywork, or stand for, any party. which I don't really have a problem with.
The reason given centres around trustworthiness and not mixing loyalties. It is assumed that as a politically active person, I can't make the distinction between duty to the State and my own beliefs.
Fine.
However, if I were a religious person - even an active preacher or worker for, say , the Jesus Army or some Muslim sect, there would be no conflict of interest deemed.
Is that fair?
Should openly religious peopld be restricted in Government jobs as political peop are?
Can you trust religious people to keep their beliefs out of their job more than political people?
Is it fair? WELL?!?!?!?!??!
As a civil servant i'm not allowed to do anywork, or stand for, any party. which I don't really have a problem with.
The reason given centres around trustworthiness and not mixing loyalties. It is assumed that as a politically active person, I can't make the distinction between duty to the State and my own beliefs.
Fine.
However, if I were a religious person - even an active preacher or worker for, say , the Jesus Army or some Muslim sect, there would be no conflict of interest deemed.
Is that fair?
Should openly religious peopld be restricted in Government jobs as political peop are?
Can you trust religious people to keep their beliefs out of their job more than political people?
Is it fair? WELL?!?!?!?!??!
fela fan said:
Well, to me that's incoherent
If you are' someone, "based on the sum of all my (fela) experiences" then you persumably carry some weight some substance, some ontology - that would, ipso fatso, seem to matter in some way, even if only in the way of matter.
Do you like Fela, fela? I am listening to EXPENSIVE SHIT.
The opening 2 tracks "Expensive Shit" and "Water He No Get Enemy" are so fucking thrilling they send shivers up my spine.
How can those horns, that chorus of wives not remind you you exist
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
fela fan said:
You what? My post is subjective? Yes. And?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Do you not see the inherent contradiction here? You claim that by caring about nothing it places you in a better position to call people out for dishing shit...which clearly implies that you consider having a 'better position' makes you prounouncements more valid, something you can only achieve by no caring...
Good to see you've moved into incorporating nihilism in your mish mash of platonism and various bits of buddhism and judeo-christian morality...
if6were9 said:Well, to me that's incoherent
If you are' someone, "based on the sum of all my (fela) experiences" then you persumably carry some weight some substance, some ontology - that would, ipso fatso, seem to matter in some way, even if only in the way of matter.
Do you like Fela, fela? I am listening to EXPENSIVE SHIT.
The opening 2 tracks "Expensive Shit" and "Water He No Get Enemy" are so fucking thrilling they send shivers up my spine.
How can those horns, that chorus of wives not remind you you exist
Of course i like him mate! I know of no music like his. But femi is slowly (being the operative word) proving a worthy successor.
My favourite still is he miss road. Try that one mate, and you really will be blown away.
By the way, for what it's worth, in my five years here on urban, you're only about the fourth person who's overtly noted the connection!
Now, 'we are today the sum of all our previous experiences' is a line that i feel well describes the way we change throughout our lives. Obviously many things stay the same, but not everything. Each new experience in some way will impact upon us. That is all i mean from that.
Ps, if you've not already done so, go buy some afrofunk/afrobeat compilations... you have cleverly undermined my 'nothing matters' mantra, coz when it comes to certain music...!
gosub said:
Where? I said 'nothing matters'. I can actually see what you're saying just as i type my reply to you. I don't know if yer playing around with me, but i don't mean that nothing matters, because nothing is nothing, i just mean that everything that is, everything that happens, does not matter.
butchersapron said:
My perception of you, based on the content of your posts, is that you rather value objectivity. I hence just wished to point out how subjective your description of me was, particularly so since it was so wrong.
Now, if my perception is wrong, then i take back the sheep's clothing reference. You're just the wolf...
kyser_soze said:
Now, let me clearly explain: i've said nothing matters (external stuff), and i don't care (internal reaction to external stuff). My internal emotional reaction has no impact on whether i actually take any action to external events.
If i care not about my place in society, if i care not about how i am perceived, then i am freer to fight the shit that occurs.
I have also said on this thread that these are mantras that i try to live by wherever possible, and that there are times when i fail. But by making the attempt i have found a life with a serious load less of suffering.
And don't give me all those bloody isms and stuff, i don't incorporate any of them into my life, you're the one always banging on about them. I live, love, don't care.
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