Release Pól Brennan

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That's not a fair question to ask me, because as I suggested earlier, I have a particular view. I think this chap, who still has a jail sentence to complete, should come back home to face the music, and until that is dealt with I don't think the US authorities should give him house room.

The UK government dropped the extradition request 8 years ago.

I can't see any reference to him having to go back to prison if he returns to the UK - or Ireland, the country he would in fact be deported to.

He is therefore not a 'fugitive' and both the US and UK government are declining to call him a 'terrorist'.

The public good is that people who seek to defeat the ends of justice shouldn't profit thereby.

What does this sentence mean? Are you saying that someone who ends up on the wrong side of the law is not entitled to be treated fairly?

If so then your concept of "law" and "justice" is worthless, nonsensical and not worth defending in the first place.

I don't support this guy's previous actions and I don't share his previous politics, but ultimately this has nothing to do with what is fair now. I believe that anyone in his situation should not be deported on such pathetic grounds. He is not being deported on the grounds that he is or was a terrorist, so in fact you are factually wrong.

Seems to me that you are supporting unjust US actions simply because you are vindictive and want to see this guy suffer now because of things he did 25 years ago that you disagreed with.

Also seems to me that you are admitting that you think that the US actions are unjust, and you only support them because of who this guy is. That is not fair or just, and is not based in any law or decent principle at all.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Consider that coat well and truly dragged!

 

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Whatever that is meant to mean...

 

[Fullyplumped]

Sorry. I was referring to the practice of "coat trailing" - comes from the notion of trailing or dragging one's coat on the ground, daring someone to step on it to provoke a response. It's a distinctively Irish concept, as you will see if you google the expression.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Now this gentleman might fairly feel aggrieved. It is a reminder to foreigners that they are still foreign so long as they don't take citizenship in their adopted land.

I suppose stuff like this happens all over the world. It certainly happens here.

 

[TomPaine]

Fully> Yep it is that bad, and it is a total shame as well! Mass has recently had a referendum on the decriminalisation of small amounts of cannabis which the yes vote won, so in theory had he committed the offense there in these times, he would have recieved a ticket and that would have been it.

I don't know whether things will change under Obama, but I think they need to. The US is so draconian on its Immigration laws, they have so many damn departments I don't know how they keep up with it, but it is certainly damaging business and putting of tourists.

 

[Nigel]

I sent a message to the EDITOR to change the name of this thread to Broaden the posts and discussion to deal with civil rights in Ireland; specifically North.
Shall I continue putting anouncements on this thread or start another?

 

[Fullyplumped]

Could I suggest that rather than have a distinct thread, that you post announcements in the announce forum, and that discussions be kept here?

 

[AKA pseudonym]

I sent a message to the EDITOR to change the name of this thread to Broaden the posts and discussion to deal with civil rights in Ireland; specifically North.
Shall I continue putting anouncements on this thread or start another?

been thinking about this
i would post info regarding any events and announcements in the 'announcement' threads for sure: ie Murphy in London etc

Some of the stuff posted such as Rosemary Nelson is certainly newsworthy as a seperate thread as to the "uk" Role of state, paid assassins touts etc etc

Keeping the threads on topic would help.

this thread should really be about pol, not a load of tacked on 'irish' stuff..

if i was you i would have different threads

 

[Taxamo Welf]

No one was ever brought to justice.

for quite few things, yes...

 

[Nigel]

Where was the no one was ever brought to justice from?

 

[Nigel]

for quite few things, yes...

PS - am i missing something when i ask why is it still called the Troops Out Movement?[/QUOTE

TOm has been going since the mid-seventies.
As far as I know there were other 'Irish' groups in the late nineties, trying to put presure on them to chnge their name because of the 'peace process' GFA etc., but rightly in my opinion they kept it.

The North Of Ireland is still occupied by British Military, even if it is to a much lesser extent than before.

How much power does Stormont or NIO have?

Saw an advetisement for TOM in Labour Breifing recentely.
Went to one of their meetings recentely in Brom. lot of the same faces and others still going strong.

 

[Fullyplumped]

It's traditional, innit.