poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
what like voting for Boris?
Not that I did, but I'd sooner vote for Boris than for patriarchal religious businessman and "community leaders".
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Not that I did, but I'd sooner vote for Boris than for patriarchal religious businessman and "community leaders".
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Agree there.
cockneyrebel
New Member
RESPECT has failed and as many people predicted it would.
However what is obvious on this thread is how little people have to say about any kind of alternative. It's a combination of vote Tory, support the IWCA but have a total inability to do anything themselves in their area or saying it's all doom, doom, doom.
However what is obvious on this thread is how little people have to say about any kind of alternative. It's a combination of vote Tory, support the IWCA but have a total inability to do anything themselves in their area or saying it's all doom, doom, doom.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh god. Every fucking post CR. Save us work rep, save us.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You don't have to vote for either.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The alternative is spamming PR on every other post is it? You're remarkbly quiet yourself about here and now beyond that massive act of generosity.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
True - and I wouldn't. I was more being hypothetical. Sort of "if you had to vote for one of them or the world would spin into the sun" type of way.
cockneyrebel
New Member
Calm down dear. And I don't think anyone could save you to be honest
In terms of the here and now it's not true what you're saying, I put as many threads up about what's going on locally (and indeed is local to U75) than anything to do with U75. The Save our Services campaign is a start and is going quite well. I'm not saying it's anything great but southwark campaigners (not far left activists either) were saying they might take up the idea, and the same with people in Lewisham. It's not gonna change the world, but it's something. All I hear on here is cynicism and criticism and not much else.
second that
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Calm down dear. And I don't think anyone could save you to be honest
In terms of the here and now it's not true what you're saying, I put as many threads up about what's going on locally (and indeed is local to U75) than anything to do with U75. The Save our Services campaign is a start and is going quite well. I'm not saying it's anything great but southwark campaigners (not far left activists either) were saying they might take up the idea, and the same with people in Lewisham. It's not gonna change the world, but it's something. All I hear on here is cynicism and criticism and not much else.
So you've put up a thread about Save our Services? Let's see what other stuff you've put up then. Because, all i can see is PR spam.
cockneyrebel
New Member
That's not true. I've put up threads that are not to do with either PR or SOS.
But I've also put up several threads about SOS meetings (three different ones), and reports of the meetings and stuff about my union branch.
As that's the local stuff I'm doing, what else would I put up?
What stuff have you put up in terms of ways forward or stuff you're doing in your area. Nothing from what I can see. With someone like durutti I might have my disagreements on this or that but at least he does something.
But I've also put up several threads about SOS meetings (three different ones), and reports of the meetings and stuff about my union branch.
As that's the local stuff I'm doing, what else would I put up?
What stuff have you put up in terms of ways forward or stuff you're doing in your area. Nothing from what I can see. With someone like durutti I might have my disagreements on this or that but at least he does something.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Indeed what else would you put up? Thanks for the info about your union branch meetings. It's inspiring. Exactly the sort of positive stuff that we need.
I've told you, what is this, twenty times, now, i don't and won't put up my stuff on here.
I've told you, what is this, twenty times, now, i don't and won't put up my stuff on here.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's true, the file on you is surprisingly thin
First rule of armed nuclei resistance.
Are the SWP allied in anyway with the Greens ? Its been a popular refuge for many on the left looking to hitch their broken socialist wagon so I guess it would make sense for the SWP to get a slice of the action as well.
Plus the Greens offer more long term opportunities, along with being a bit more Media friendly than a load of fundamental Muslims who dont really scan well in the papers or on the Television.
Plus the Greens offer more long term opportunities, along with being a bit more Media friendly than a load of fundamental Muslims who dont really scan well in the papers or on the Television.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Shut up twat
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
The Greens will be far, far smarter than to have anything to do with the SWP (which really means dealing with the SWP CC and the SWP membership not having a say at all).
They knocked back the Swappies when the SWP wanted an electoral pact and joint slates between RESPECT and the Greens, so I doubt very much that they'll have anything to with the SWP CC after their latest disaster.
Whether or not RESPECT will haemorrage members to the Greens and other parties is another matter.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Socialist Resistance and the ISG have a friendly relationship with both the Green Left, who they work with in the ecosocialist international, and with many of the ex-SWP members who left/were expelled over Respect. Stand by for some new developments on the latter score. I can't see the SWP being friendly with anybody for some time to come.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=1965
It with great regret that we have learnt that Tower Hamlets councillors Oliur Rahman, Rania Khan and Lutfa Begum have left Respect. Press reports suggest they have joined or are going to join New Labour. Respect Renewal councillor Shahid Ali is also joining New Labour.
The Respect councillors were elected on a platform of opposing the occupation of Iraq, the government's privatisation policies, the transfer of housing stock, the introduction of ID cards and the retention of the Tory anti-union laws.
It is regrettable that they have now turned their backs on the people who elected them.. The councillors' desire to retain their seats should not have been put before the interests of the people who originally voted for them.
The recent split in Respect has created conditions in which New Labour can seek to regain the initiative in Tower Hamlets but Respect/Left List supporters will continue to oppose New Labour and the other establishment parties. We know that many in the working class movement look on the decline of the Labour government with mounting concern and desparately want a real left alternative.
We will continue with our efforts to help create an alternative left party that working people can look to for a defence of their living standards and their trade unions. A party that struggles against war and the racism it breeds.
It with great regret that we have learnt that Tower Hamlets councillors Oliur Rahman, Rania Khan and Lutfa Begum have left Respect. Press reports suggest they have joined or are going to join New Labour. Respect Renewal councillor Shahid Ali is also joining New Labour.
The Respect councillors were elected on a platform of opposing the occupation of Iraq, the government's privatisation policies, the transfer of housing stock, the introduction of ID cards and the retention of the Tory anti-union laws.
It is regrettable that they have now turned their backs on the people who elected them.. The councillors' desire to retain their seats should not have been put before the interests of the people who originally voted for them.
The recent split in Respect has created conditions in which New Labour can seek to regain the initiative in Tower Hamlets but Respect/Left List supporters will continue to oppose New Labour and the other establishment parties. We know that many in the working class movement look on the decline of the Labour government with mounting concern and desparately want a real left alternative.
We will continue with our efforts to help create an alternative left party that working people can look to for a defence of their living standards and their trade unions. A party that struggles against war and the racism it breeds.
ben foggle2
New Member
I could tell by the lack of respect/swp posters in my area.However there was burst of anarchoish posters around the time of the @ bookfair last year.low and behold a new @ish group locally has formed with at least half them having some back ground in trot politics.
cockneyrebel
New Member
Where have I said it's inspiring or "positive stuff". You asked me to give examples and I have. I suspect the reason you don't post stuff up is because you don't actually do anything. For instance you support the IWCA yet there is absolutely no sign of an IWCA group in Bristol. And it's the same with positive suggestions on U75, where you spend the vast majority of your time laying into other people.
Wasn't at least one of those councillors actually in the SWP? A bit of a move from SWP to New Labour.
dennisr
the acceptable face
well, thats an exciting development
Anarcho-trots.
Head for the hills, granny.
The Anarcho-Stalinists are waiting for them
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Lutfa Begum is/was until yesterday an SWP Member. She's joining local MP Jim Fitzpatrick, also a former SWP member, so I suppose it's not that big a jump. In the General Election she will have to support Fitzpatrick, who was in favour of the Iraq war, against Galloway who of course opposed it.
The SWP statement restricts it to Tower Hamlets local politics, downplaying the significance of Oliur Rahman's national role and as a front person for the SWP's projects.
He was in fact the national Chair of I-can't-believe-it's-not-Respect 'elected' unopposed by the SWP delegates at the disputed conference in November, and was also both the official 'Leader' of the SWP's 'Left List' front and its nominating officer for endorsing election candidates. He was therefore the most senior member/leader of the SWP's front. He would have presumably chaired the last meeting of the National Council of I-can't-believe-it's-not-Respect/Left List and would have been the chair for the meeting scheduled for this Saturday.
http://respectcoalition.org/index.php?ite=1946
His defection to New Labour puts an end to their Respect/Left List pretensions. Hopefully they will turn Saturday's meeting into a wake, throw in the towel, and go back to paper selling on the picket line and a revolving door for naive but well-meaning student wannabe radicals.
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