Reid calls for Geneva Convention to be rewritten

[Backatcha Bandit]

Reid calls for Geneva Convention to be rewritten

By Thomas Harding Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 04/04/2006)

John Reid, the Defence Secretary, called for sweeping changes to international law, including the Geneva Convention, to counter the threat of global terrorism.

The legal grounds for conducting pre-emptive strikes were inadequate in the current climate of suicidal terrorists, as were the laws to prevent genocide and internal repression, he said.

Unless changes were made to international law, countries would be hamstrung in countering threats from terrorists intent on killing on a huge scale with weapons of mass destruction.

Mr Reid also called for a review of the Geneva Conventions governing the treatment of prisoners of war in the speech "Twenty-first Century Warfare, Twentieth Century Rules" at the Royal United Service Institute think-tank.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...04.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/04/ixnewstop.html

Cunt.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

An absolute disgrace.

This individual, who no longer speaks in any of our names, would not understand the rule of law if it came and nuked him in the face.

Time to kick this bunch of warmongering criminals out of office in the May local elections. We need to reclaim our democracy street by street. We need to reclaim our democracy in our polling booths.

They have broken every moral law in the book.

 

[MikeMcc]

While the present bunch of cunts have used every trick in the book with the present war in Iraq. He does raise some valid points - just how do you deal with an enemy that doesn't 'follow the rules'?

 

[TAE]

The guy's a nutter. Hopefully no one will take what he says seriously.

just how do you deal with an enemy that doesn't 'follow the rules'?

The same way as always. There is nothing new under the sun.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

Don't be so stupid. We do not follow the rules. You deal with your 'enemies' by setting a superb example yourself and making a just and long-lasting peace through dialogue and negotiation.

If you want to fight your enemies, prepare yourself for what nuclear bombs do to human flesh. Wake up and stop listening to this regime.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I notice he seems to be promoting the notion that concepts like 'universal inalineable human rights' are quaint old fashioned nonsense.

As opposed to those oh-so-modern, forward looking practices like arbitary arrest, torture and imprisonment without trial.

 

[nino_savatte]

John Reid isn't exactly best placed to comment on changes to the Geneva Convention and one suspects that he's trying to get to a point where the definition of torture and inhumane treatment is changed and its use normalised.

He's a nasty cunt for sure and I'd happily kick his head in.

 

[Joon]

Two months is a long time in politics

In a statement he made just over two months ago, about the deployment of British armed forces to Afghanistan, Reid, speaking of the high standards set by the Geneva Convention said:

“It is always a dreadfully difficult task to balance the fight against a dreadful enemy who is unconstrained by any morality, any conventional norms of international standards and any Geneva convention.

In the long run, the maintenance of such standards strategically is a source of legitimacy and strength to us, and that is why we take such care”

Is he now saying that we too should unfetter ourselves from the constraints of the Geneva Convention? If he is to abandon these high standards that give us “legitimacy and strength”, what will he replace them with?

 

[Lock&Light]

He's a nasty cunt for sure and I'd happily kick his head in.

The second part of your sentence only proves that you are the equal of Reid as far nastiness and cuntishness goes.

 

[nino_savatte]

The second part of your sentence only proves that you are the equal of Reid as far nastiness and cuntishness goes.

Go fuck yourself, you braindead twat.

ETA: You're as predictable as ever and I knew you'd be along to condescend and stick your oar in.

 

[Lock&Light]

Go fuck yourself, you braindead twat.

You are sounding more mature as the ages slip past.

 

[nino_savatte]

You are sounding more mature as the ages slip past.

In case you didn't understand the first time: Go fuck yourself, you braindead twat.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

L&L - don't be ridiculous. Nobody here is Attack Dog's equal. While violence against New Labour's National Socialism is not the answer, none of us here have our fingers on nuclear buttons.

We must mobilise our non-violent forces of resistance on every front. May 4th's local elections are vital - if they have not released the nukes by that point.

There is no time left for debating on an online forum with the words of the regime. They do not listen to us, so responding to them is futile. Listening to them is only useful from the strategic point of view of helping to determine at what point their plans for a war with Iran are being turned into reality.

There is only time for using every single peaceful means at our disposal. The end is twofold: the end of New Labour's totalitarian regime, and the prevention of nuclear war. Debate is dead in the UK. Activity must not be killed by passivity. If you do not stand for something, you will fall for anything.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=157249

 

[Joon]

The second part of your sentence only proves that you are the equal of Reid as far nastiness and cuntishness goes.

Nice people can become nasty if the circumstances are right. I consider myself the nicest of people but just the sight of Reid, who always reminds me of a crook in a suit at a Kray's funeral, makes even me feel NASTY!

 

[Lock&Light]

L&L - don't be ridiculous. Nobody here is Attack Dog's equal.

If you mean that Reid wouldn't kick in people's heads, then you are right.

 

[fractionMan]

I just read about this in the paper. What a cunt.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

No, he doesn't need to kick them in. The thug, crook, criminal and gangster is more intelligent than that. He has an entire security system and military system at his disposal. L&L, look at what nuclear weapons do to human flesh. Then go away and meditate very deeply upon what kind of Britain and what kind of world you would like to live in.

Then wake up - yawn, stretch out, brew up some coffee - and decimate New Labour at the May 4th polls. I do not care who you vote for. Just end the totalitarianism that has hijacked our country.

http://www.gensuikin.org/english/photo.html

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

The second part of your sentence only proves that you are the equal of Reid as far nastiness and cuntishness goes.

Whereas your sentence proves that you are without equal when it comes to being a sanctimonious prick.

Do the world a favour, if you have nothing to add but snide digs at individuals, rather than any comment on the subject matter, please just shut the fuck up.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Anyway, L+L attention seeking aside back to the topic!

This is a dangerous precedent to demand for obvious reasons but also because it could mean that UK/US governments enemies will use the same argument of pre-emptive strike (and with a bit more justification in certain cases) against UK/US/whatever [Geo-political lackeys they have this week] populations…

 

[Lock&Light]

Whereas your sentence proves that you are without equal when it comes to being a sanctimonious prick.

If you consider hating the use of violence as being sanctimonious, then so be it. I consider the word to have a different meaning. As for being a prick I have to suppose that you would recognise one.

 

[fractionMan]

And the prize for the most schoolboy comment of the day goes to...

L&L!

As for being a prick I have to suppose that you would recognise one.

 

[nino_savatte]

And the prize for the most schoolboy comment of the day goes to...

L&L!

Great, innit?

 

[cemertyone]

I notice he seems to be promoting the notion that concepts like 'universal inalineable human rights' are quaint old fashioned nonsense.




As opposed to those oh-so-modern, forward looking practices like arbitary arrest, torture and imprisonment without trial.

well said girl

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Great, innit?

Just ignore him, this is a good thread don't let him wreck it!

 

[Lock&Light]

And the prize for the most schoolboy comment of the day goes to...

Personally I consider it to be more immature to be unable to express an opinion on someone without resort to breast-beating expressions of violence.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

Kid Eternity is right. Engaging with L&L is ruining a thread which is both good and vitally important.

Silence is the most powerful weapon of all.

 

[Haller]

Is he now saying that we too should unfetter ourselves from the constraints of the Geneva Convention? If he is to abandon these high standards that give us “legitimacy and strength”, what will he replace them with?

On the World At One, he insisted that the reporting of his speech was entirely wrong, and that he never suggested the abandonment or amendment of the Geneva Convention. In a trunctuated interview, just about the only point he did get across was that leaders of non-state terrorist organizations should be subject to international courts, in the same way that leaders of states now are, for crimes against humanity.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

So in other words, Attack Droog is saying that leaders of international terrorist organisations like Usama Dusty Bin Laden should be in the Hague, just like Anthony Charles Lynton Blair.

Cool. A Nuremberg trial for both sides in this war on terror franchise would be a gas.

Attack Droog really is a chump. Not as much as ID card Big Ears Clerk, but still a chump.

What a bunch of plums this lot are.

1966!

Could I please have my Labour government and my ball back, sir?

 

[Lock&Light]

On the World At One, he insisted that the reporting of his speech was entirely wrong, and that he never suggested the abandonment or amendment of the Geneva Convention. In a trunctuated interview, just about the only point he did get across was that leaders of non-state terrorist organizations should be subject to international courts, in the same way that leaders of states now are, for crimes against humanity.

That sounds far more likely than the hysteria of earlier posters.

 

[cemertyone]

In a statement he made just over two months ago, about the deployment of British armed forces to Afghanistan, Reid, speaking of the high standards set by the Geneva Convention said:

“It is always a dreadfully difficult task to balance the fight against a dreadful enemy who is unconstrained by any morality, any conventional norms of international standards and any Geneva convention.

In the long run, the maintenance of such standards strategically is a source of legitimacy and strength to us, and that is why we take such care”

Is he now saying that we too should unfetter ourselves from the constraints of the Geneva Convention? If he is to abandon these high standards that give us “legitimacy and strength”, what will he replace them with?

You should e-mail that statement to the B.B.C. and ask them for his response????