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Regionalisation of RESPECT?

4thwrite said:
I'd really love to hear what Respect members on these boards have to say about this - an article by one of their leaders. Yes? Any takers? Go on - take the challenge.
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At a guess, something along the lines of "Mohammed Nasseem is an individual member of respect. As such, it is of no consequence if he peddles freaky conspiraloon theories, since respect policy is not to peddle freaky conspiraloon yadda yadda yadda..."
 
BarryB said:
Fisher Gate I admit to knowing next to nothing about the Colne Valley constituency but I am a bit surprised that you say that Colne Valley is now a safe Labour seat. In the 2005 General Election Labour received 35.85% and the Tories with 32.78%. The Lib dems trailed third with 24.17%. There was a 3.40% swing from Lab to Con. These figures on the surface suggest that Colne Valley is vulnerable to the Cons in the next election. Of course you may have good reason for saying that it is now a safe Labour seat but could you spell it out a bit?

BarryB
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Sorry you are right it is now a Labour-Tory marginal, probably a swing seat, ie if the Tories ever got a majority in parliament they'd have to win it. LibDems lost it to Tories in 1987 who held it in 1992, Labour won it in 1997 with a healthy 4,840 majority.

I was confusing it with Pendle which does have the town of Colne in it (just to confuse us!). Pendle was Tory until 1992, when it was won by one-time carpet-bagging Labour apparatchik Gordon Prentice, who stacked up a 10,000 majority in 1997 and surprised everyone by going anti-Blair. Also now somewhat marginal.
 
Fisher_Gate said:
Sorry you are right it is now a Labour-Tory marginal, probably a swing seat, ie if the Tories ever got a majority in parliament they'd have to win it. LibDems lost it to Tories in 1987 who held it in 1992, Labour won it in 1997 with a healthy 4,840 majority.

I was confusing it with Pendle which does have the town of Colne in it (just to confuse us!). Pendle was Tory until 1992, when it was won by one-time carpet-bagging Labour apparatchik Gordon Prentice, who stacked up a 10,000 majority in 1997 and surprised everyone by going anti-Blair. Also now somewhat marginal.
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FG - don't go! While you're here, why not have a quick peep at the link in 61. Please, pretty please..
 
Is this it then? Have we finally found something written by a muslim member of respect that Respectees on these boards can't condone? :eek: Tis truly the Grail :) It must be my lucky day - probably worth getting a lottery ticket.
 
There is also Peter Tatchell's report on Ken Livingstone's mate Dr Qaradawi - that is pretty hard to rebut as well.

I doubt anyone is rushing to publish that on the Respect website.
 
Barry B
They are going to make an a concerted attempt to win seats in next years council elections in Newham and Tower Hamlets. They have to do this as they know they are not going to have much success elsewhere. Since the May General Election there have been several hundred council bye elections. IIRC Respect stood in just one seat. They are not a national party in any real sense.
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That doesn't make sense. Yes you need to focus your election candidates on places you think you'll win in (because money is a limited resource)... but that's not what they're talking about. They're talking about a national council, people to decide policy, strategy, maybe finance etc (I presume).
 
butchersapron said:
Do you mean the one availible below Paul, or has he done a new one?

http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/qaradawidossier.htm
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Fuck me! So Dr Q the Swappies friend has even come out in favour of Female Genital Mutilation - lovely company these Respect types keep isnt it :(

I'm no great fan of Tatchel but he does do his research properly. Even though I have problems with the way certain sections of his group relate to LGBT muslims.
 
4thwrite said:
Still no SWP/Respect response I see...

Still not too late...

Helloooo..
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There awaiting programming. There must be a confilct at the interface between Trotsky V1.99, Koran V4.1 and UtterCredulityLite V.2.1 :D
 
KeyboardJockey said:
There awaiting programming. There must be a confilct at the interface between Trotsky V1.99, Koran V4.1 and UtterCredulityLite V.2.1 :D
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:D Its gonna be like one of those 1970s SciFi films where an all powerful computer is presented with the ultimate paradox - and ends with smoke billowing out and squawking "cannot compute, cannot compute..."
 
4thwrite said:
:D Its gonna be like one of those 1970s SciFi films where an all powerful computer is presented with the ultimate paradox - and ends with smoke billowing out and squawking "cannot compute, cannot compute..."
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LOL.

You might be right there.

slightly off topic I noticed that the STWC was out in force collecting bodies for a meeting last night at Ilford. Looked like the usual swappie people out there. Was tempted to go but it would have probably have ended up as a respect membership drive. Allegedly one of the local MP's Harry Cohen was speaking.
 
Pigeon said:
Ooh, it's quiet.... :rolleyes:
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So where do you reckon they've gone then? I know there are a couple of swapppies on other threads having a go at Weekly Worker etc but they seem to strangly missing from here.

'Hello, swappies are you out theeeeeere'
 
They're busy building the Trotskyite-led revolution in their capacity as the legitimate Leninist vanguard of the international working class.

Edit- Selling papers.
 
lewislewis said:
They're busy building the Trotskyite-led revolution in their capacity as the legitimate Leninist vanguard of the international working class.

Edit- Selling papers.
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Funny thing is I saw some swappies last night and that is exactly what they were doing selling papers.
 
KeyboardJockey said:
Funny thing is I saw some swappies last night and that is exactly what they were doing selling papers.
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Perhaps their fingers are too cold to type at the moment. Poor lambs.
 
KeyboardJockey said:
So where do you reckon they've gone then? I know there are a couple of swapppies on other threads having a go at Weekly Worker etc but they seem to strangly missing from here.

'Hello, swappies are you out theeeeeere'
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This is a bit of a non-thread.

I'm surprised not to see Pickmans' in full oratorical flow
 
Udo Erasmus said:
This is a bit of a non-thread.

I'm surprised not to see Pickmans' in full oratorical flow
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Ah, but indulge us on this non-thread - any comments on the links Paul Marsh posted? I know you haven't gone - the little green lights still on :p
 
Hmmmm I'd be interested in Udo's defence of Respects association with people who support Female Genital Mutilation as well.

come on say something even if it is only 'bollocks' :D
 
4thwrite said:
Ah, but indulge us on this non-thread - any comments on the links Paul Marsh posted? I know you haven't gone - the little green lights still on :p
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Well carry on with the smears.

I don't personally know much about Dr. Nasseem - I get the impression from what others post about him that he has a fondness for conspiracy theories - I should note that a couple of years ago, Arthur Scargil spoke in Wales, and argued that 9.11 was done by the CIA!

But the link Paul Marsh posts seems to contain statements by Nassem that 1) he thinks their is no proof that the 4 men were the July bombings 2) Questions the existence of Al-Quaeda 3) Suggests that maybe muslims weren't responsible for 7/7

On the final point, I think that the bombers probably were Muslim, and on the first, there are examples (the birmingham 6) of people being framed for terrorist attrocities - so it is a valid line of enquiry on point 2) - Al Quaeda does exist, but many terrorism experts attack the way it is depicted as this tight network by the government
 
KeyboardJockey said:
Hmmmm I'd be interested in Udo's defence of Respects association with people who support Female Genital Mutilation as well.

come on say something even if it is only 'bollocks' :D
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Now that's fucked up! My Stalinist teacher from the Sudan was furiously and vehemently opposed to FGM.
 
KeyboardJockey said:
Hmmmm I'd be interested in Udo's defence of Respects association with people who support Female Genital Mutilation as well.

come on say something even if it is only 'bollocks' :D
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It is indeed bollocks.
 
Udo Erasmus said:
I don't personally know much about Dr. Nasseem -
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:eek: He's on your organisation's National Council! Surely you're not telling me Respect's cannon fodder just rubber stamps any old fart foisted on 'em by their superiors? :eek:
 
Idris2002 said:
Now that's fucked up! My Stalinist teacher from the Sudan was furiously and vehemently opposed to FGM.
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But Respect don't seem to be criticising people like Dr Qadawri who dont condemn it.

Comes to something when a Stalinist has to stand up against a human rights abuse and the swappies front organisation looks shifty and says nothing. :(
 
Udo Erasmus said:
Well carry on with the smears.

I don't personally know much about Dr. Nasseem - I get the impression from what others post about him that he has a fondness for conspiracy theories - I should note that a couple of years ago, Arthur Scargil spoke in Wales, and argued that 9.11 was done by the CIA!
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Which smears are they then? Only thing i've been asking for on this thread is a response to some pretty astonishing claims from one of your leaders.

You then go on to say the guy has a 'fondness for conspiracy theories' - but that they may be true?
 
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