Reggae label to hold "straight pride" publicity stunt

[baldrick]

Well that's just it - it's an anti-gay march/stunt/whatever.

And tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if any other "straight pride" event was also similarly homophobic.

 

[Iam]

OK

reading this as somone who is totally outside the whole festival\gay\whatever thing these days

it read to me like this: (my interrepation, maybe not what was meant)

how dare they hold a straight pride event, hope they all get beaten up have a really shitty time. Pride events are for gays... its our event and how dare anyone else have one. *pout*

OK this particular event isnt really just a parade and piss up celebrating their strightness. It seems to be more about being anti gay.

Is it ok to have a White Pride march?

 

[Structaural]

OK this particular event isnt really just a parade and piss up celebrating their strightness. It seems to be more about being anti gay.

well done Pingu you got there in the end.

 

[Pingu]

well done Pingu you got there in the end.

erm I said that (well in a roundabout way) and understood that from the beginning.

OK the sentements behiond this one may be suspect

 

[Pingu]

Is it ok to have a White Pride march?

guess that would depend on its motivations. same as a Welsh pride\whatever event.

thogh tbh I cant see any "white pride" event having good intentions given the history.

 

[Belushi]

An oppressed white male pride event would be fantastic, we could invite Clarkson and Mylene Klass and all wear our ill-fitting superhero outfits.

 

[bluestreak]

An oppressed white male pride event would be fantastic, we could invite Clarkson and Mylene Klass and all wear our ill-fitting superhero outfits.

I'm already wearing mine, just in case the parade goes past my work while i'm sitting here.

"what do we want?"

EVERYTHING!

"when do we want it?"

BEFORE THE IMMIGRANTS CAN GET THEIR FILTHY PAWS ON IT!

 

[Roadkill]

not in so many words but its insinuated in some of the replies.

Not so far as I can see, it isn't.

it read to me like this: (my interrepation, maybe not what was meant)

how dare they hold a straight pride event, hope they all get beaten up have a really shitty time. Pride events are for gays... its our event and how dare anyone else have one. *pout*

But then you yourself go on to say that it's about being anti-gay, which is what people are taking exception to.

The whole thing about 'straight pride' is brought up again and again in debates over Gay Pride. It completely and utterly misses the point.

I think the word 'pride' is a bit of a misnomer, although it's a good word to rally around and it's served that purpose very well over the years. It's not so much about taking pride in being gay (or bi or whatever), as refusing to be ashamed of it. Remember, it's only forty years since male gay sex was decriminalised, and even now in some circles there's still a stigma attached to being gay. In those circumstances, isn't it natural for people to come together and stand up for their rights and their dignity, and tell the bigots to fuck off? That is what Gay Pride is about.

You yourself say that you can't see a 'white pride' event having good intentions given the history. That is true, and it's no different here. I don't hope that they all get beaten up. I do hope, though, that the event is a fiasco.

 

[In Bloom]

I think the word 'pride' is a bit of a misnomer, although it's a good word to rally around and it's served that purpose very well over the years. It's not so much about taking pride in being gay (or bi or whatever), as refusing to be ashamed of it. Remember, it's only forty years since male gay sex was decriminalised, and even now in some circles there's still a stigma attached to being gay. In those circumstances, isn't it natural for people to come together and stand up for their rights and their dignity, and tell the bigots to fuck off? That is what Gay Pride is about.

^this

Also, I have a hard time seing how a "celebration of straightness" could be anything other than homophobic by its very nature.

 

[Kaka Tim]

They are basically having an event to fight for their rights.




They're rights to oppress, condem, attack and control other peoples sexuality.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

i'm allowed to march to celabrate my passion for drawings of maids

but if my march is a thinly discuised attack at those people who perfer sailor fuku it's probably not a good thing....


reword and apply to other situations as you will

 

[untethered]

i'm allowed to march to celabrate my passion for drawings of maids

but if my march is a thinly discuised attack at those people who perfer sailor fuku it's probably not a good thing....


reword and apply to other situations as you will

There's obviously something very wrong with you but your logic is sound.

If "Gay Pride" can be a celebration of homosexualist culture and identity without necessarily being antagonistic to heterosexuality, I can see no good reason why the reverse wouldn't also be true.

I think it's wrong to attempt to hold a "Straight Pride" event, not least because pride itself is sinful. But a positive celebration of family culture and pro-life values would be worthwhile in itself without having to make an explicit criticism of the alternatives.

 

[alsoknownas]

An oppressed white male pride event would be fantastic, we could invite Clarkson and Mylene Klass and all wear our ill-fitting superhero outfits.

Be a strange invite list given that Mylene Klass is a) not male, and b) not white.

 

[Belushi]

Be a strange invite list given that Mylene Klass is a) not male, and b) not white.

No, but she is fit.

Stand tall white men!

 

[Roadkill]

There's obviously something very wrong with you but your logic is sound.

If "Gay Pride" can be a celebration of homosexualist culture and identity without necessarily being antagonistic to heterosexuality, I can see no good reason why the reverse wouldn't also be true.

I think it's wrong to attempt to hold a "Straight Pride" event, not least because pride itself is sinful. But a positive celebration of family culture and pro-life values would be worthwhile in itself without having to make an explicit criticism of the alternatives.

Oh no, it's back. Trust the resident comedy Tory to find a thread about sexuality.

Tell me, untethered, what do you think the penalty for gay sex should be?

 

[DotCommunist]

There's obviously something very wrong with you but your logic is sound.

If "Gay Pride" can be a celebration of homosexualist culture and identity without necessarily being antagonistic to heterosexuality, I can see no good reason why the reverse wouldn't also be true.

I think it's wrong to attempt to hold a "Straight Pride" event, not least because pride itself is sinful. But a positive celebration of family culture and pro-life values would be worthwhile in itself without having to make an explicit criticism of the alternatives.

Straight people don't really have any need to hold a pride event given how hetero-normative society is. Every single day of the world is straight pride day, our culture is an open celebration of straightness. Hence my at this idea. straight pride. White pride? hmmm



And lets ignore the hilarious pride is sinful guff. Honestly you are a po-faced anglican nutter.

 

[In Bloom]

If "Gay Pride" can be a celebration of homosexualist culture and identity without necessarily being antagonistic to heterosexuality, I can see no good reason why the reverse wouldn't also be true.

Pride is about challenging homophobia, not "celebrating homosexualist culture".

What the fuck is "homosexualist culture"? Come to that, what's a "homosexualist"?

 

[STFC]

Be a strange invite list given that Mylene Klass is a) not male, and b) not white.

But Mylene is so lovely that she should be invited to any event taking place as a matter of course.

 

[DotCommunist]

But Mylene is so lovely that she should be invited to any event taking place as a matter of course.

sh has a degree in astronomy, so you could discuss quasars and the music of the spheres ovwer a post coital ciggie

 

[internetstalker]

It's just a matter of fact, if you talk about "straight pride", you're a homophobe and you deserve to have bad things happen to you.

is it?

 

[DotCommunist]

is it?

well, I'd say that it indicates that you somehow feel that you need to celebrate heterosexuality and would be inclined to ask why, in a society based on the sanctified notion of heterosexuality, do you feel the need?

 

[In Bloom]

is it?

Yes, it is. For reasons I've explained repeatedly.

 

[untethered]

Tell me, untethered, what do you think the penalty for gay sex should be?

Less formal systems of social control would be -- and are -- more effective.

Straight people don't really have any need to hold a pride event given how hetero-normative society is.

This is much less true than it used to be. If you work in fashion or live in Vauxhall it's almost the opposite.

Every single day of the world is straight pride day, our culture is an open celebration of straightness.

There's a difference between an implicit expression and explicit celebration of family values. While in many respects the family system is self-perpetuating it is nonetheless threatened from many quarters, of which homosexualist culture is but a minor one.

We don't need 24-hour rolling Family TV but an appropriate annual celebration would be worthwhile in helping us reflect on why we do what we do.

 

[Roadkill]

Less formal systems of social control would be -- and are -- more effective.

That's odd, given that in this post you say 'I believe that sex outside marriage is immoral and the law should prohibit it. I believe that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.' So, it should be illegal, but 'informal sanctions' (and what do you mean by that?) are more effective than the long arm of the law.

Oddly self-contradictory position, that...

 

[In Bloom]

We don't need 24-hour rolling Family TV but an appropriate annual celebration would be worthwhile in helping us reflect on why we do what we do.

Oh really. And why is it that you "do what you do", untethered?

 

[internetstalker]

well, I'd say that it indicates that you somehow feel that you need to celebrate heterosexuality and would be inclined to ask why, in a society based on the sanctified notion of heterosexuality, do you feel the need?

I agree DC it is a bit pointless!

Yes, it is. For reasons I've explained repeatedly.

So by your logic anyone who is proud to be str8 is a homophobe!

thats tosh TBF!

I'm prouid t be straight and proud to be white!

I'm neither homophobic or racist

 

[DotCommunist]

Less formal systems of social control would be -- and are -- more effective.



This is much less true than it used to be. If you work in fashion or live in Vauxhall it's almost the opposite.

so all people in fashion or Vauxhall are homosexuals? really I despair of you.

There's a difference between an implicit expression and explicit celebration of family values. While in many respects the family system is self-perpetuating it is nonetheless threatened from many quarters, of which homosexualist culture is but a minor one.

Deeply dodgy. The celebration of the family in our culture is so deeply ingrained as to be both implicit and explicit. Yes there is a difference between those two thinks but no they are not mutually exclusive. And 'homosexualist culture' is fairly offensive terminology.

We don't need 24-hour rolling Family TV but an appropriate annual celebration would be worthwhile in helping us reflect on why we do what we do.

we don't? then justify the existence of ITV. thats family tv right thier

 

[Iam]

Nor are you oppressed over either of those things, so marching in support of your rights would be odd.

 

[In Bloom]

So by your logic anyone who is proud to be str8 is a homophobe!

thats tosh TBF!

I'm prouid t be straight and proud to be white!

I'm neither homophobic or racist

If you're actually proud to be straight and white then as it happens, you are both a racist and a homophobe. There's a difference between not being ashamed of something and being proud of it.

 

[untethered]

That's odd, given that in this post you say 'I believe that sex outside marriage is immoral and the law should prohibit it. I believe that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.'

Oddly self-contradictory position, that...

I've changed my mind. (It's allowed, you know.) I really can't see how a formal system of legal penalties like that could work in a place like contemporary Britain. Yes, you could have a long-term programme to change the culture and that might lead to a point where there would be sufficient support for that kind of legislation. In the meantime, we work with what we've got -- different means towards the same ends.