Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Red Sky, Feb 3, 2018.
Think we'll agree to disagree here.
Why, what are you even doing?
Don’t bang on about trades unions you’ve latched onto.
Everyone including Nanny and the children seemed to be having fun. Moggy and Bone should form a double act and tour the post-brexit reopened variety theatres.
Ian would have, of course, have to find a suitably urchinesque mini-Bone if he wanted to jeepbup with his new partner
Satisfied enough with my contribution not to give much of a fuck about your questions to be honest. Particularly if you don't think workplace organising counts.
Funny then that Bone in the last few days has managed to get a direct anti-austerity, pay & conditions highlighting message, via one of the largest UK circulation newspapers, into more workplaces than the entire SP have had hot dinners.
What are you even doing? Apart from moaning on here?
Opening a gym for balaclava enthusiasts.
AKA fuck all...
Regardless of what I am or aren’t doing, I’m not the one hurling criticisms at someone who was doing something, is the point.
This might be rampantly sceptical on my part but I'm not convinced of a propaganda strategy which is reliant on the S*n to deliver an anti-austerity message to the working class. Sorry for the lack of faith comrade.
For clarity mate - I do workplace organising which Ian Bone would think pointless and irrelevant, and he does cartoonish stunts I think are pointless and irrelevant. It's a fair exchange.
You are yourself now hurling criticisms at someone who is doing something though. Is it ok when you do it?
Asking you what you do equates to hurling criticism? You’ll have to show your workings there.
Why are you so convinced Ian bone would find that pointless and irrelevant?
I’ve seen CW activists supporting United Voices of the World pickets, so they can’t find it that boring and irrelevant.
I doubt CW would try and flood the managerial positions in unions though like Trots tend to do.
People in grass houses shouldn't get stoned.
Purely based on speeches and things he's written I've seen, I don't think he has a very positive view of TUC affiliate unions or the lay rep structures within them. I think some of the things I do, like negotiations with local management or representing members, he would consider not confrontational enough to be worth doing. I'm not suggesting that's true of all the CW periphery though.
Possibly IB might like some kinds of workplace organising though.
But not the managerial kind of workplace organising, which maybe is a reference to unelected bureaucrats or overpaid FTO's or maybe just to people like me with 3 hours a week facility time. Who knows?
Far far worse than turning up at someones work, antagonising their employer and telling someone they have Stockholm syndrome for not joining HIS choice of union? I'm all ears
Then let's hope IB does another action personally, soon. See where this old slippery slope leads...
Ian Bone doing his thing isn't stopping anyone else doing theirs.
So you've not read much of what he's written then I take it. Because he's been pretty clear about having a very positive view of TUC branches and lay reps that get their finger out (eg. the printers, or the NUM) for most of the last 50 years. He's not a fan of careerism or service unionism, but frankly who is (other than careerists)? Try Bash The Rich if you want to opine about his actual views rather than just making assumptions.
The Sun here, showing how outraged it is about people "bullying" kids by er... trying to bully an old man?
Fair enough, he's just never come across to me as having much interest but I'll take your word for it. The blurb to that book sounds pretty fucking out there to be fair but if you say so...
I mean, can't have it both ways, if the kids are a legitimate target then so is he, old though he may be.
I'd stick to commenting on things you know something about.
"Classy" isn't one of them.
Again, stick to talking about what you know about.
"Nice" isn't in it
I made no comment at all on how "out there" or not it was, but it's his biography, hence it being a good source to work from if you wish to continue trying to explain his politics to the rest of us. As opposed to trying to do so having seemingly read nothing much.
That's an interesting reversal of "if kids aren't a legitimate target why would a pensioner be", it's genuinely been a while since I've seen someone reduced to defending the Sun's editorial process.
I'm not defending the S*n, but the consensus seems to be the aim of the stunt is to get coverage in rabid right wing tabloids, in which case it's not bullying, it's sticking it to the man achieved, maaan. If the goal is negative attention from right wing rags then you can't really then claim it's bullying.
You're not getting me. I'm not actually calling Ian Bone a victim or demanding that the Sun behave itself (as though it ever would), I'm mocking the bizarre hypocritical parody of a moral high horse that it's performing.
I've been on UVW pickets with IB, so.. And forget about a member of a group that included Tommy Sheridan and Steve Nally ( Nally is still a member of SP) who denounced poll tax rioters and called for them to be grassed up
''...hid inside leaving a woman to do the shouting...''
The deep rooted sexism in that image is really fucking depressing. I know its that rag, but still.
What's with all this 'legitimate target' nonsense talk? FFS, he made a few barbed quips to them, not attempted a assassination. Have some of you even watched the video, nobody looked intimidated or even upset.
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