Rees and Germain resign ?

[FridgeMagnet]

This pair and others like them have been part of the left current that has alienated potential supporters, allied themselves with a religiou s grouping, legitimised racial / religious politics. The actions of G and R and their groups have been an utter embarrassment to the British Left. If the left is dead then the hand of the killer is on the swp and other groups like them.

They're about as relevant to gaining "supporters" as my mum is, if not less. There's rather a lot of irony in the luminaries of the "British Left" blaming each other for lack of participation, given that consistent infighting certainly results in people leaving.

 

[e19896]

They're about as relevant to gaining "supporters" as my mum is, if not less. There's rather a lot of irony in the luminaries of the "British Left" blaming each other for lack of participation, given that consistent infighting certainly results in people leaving.

agreed and the same with the "British Anarchist" though i have a anarchist thought and practice i can not decide i find the most fucking vile, i had a conversation or was it an argument and there Utopian ideals just fucked me of, no different from the "British Left" both sects are Middle Class and what the fuck do they offer the working class? we suffer and live under there occupation..

 

[JHE]

Or, is this a sign that the Lost List is at the beginning of the usual road for the SWP's last few wheezes, which is to be sucked dry of prospective Swappie recruits and then be left to wither on the vine.

Yes, it means that the Central Committee of 'The Party' has decided that this 'united front of a special kind' - al-Respeq (Social Worker Faction) or The Lost List or The Lost Alternative or whatever it's called this week - is no longer where the action is and has therefore been de-prioritised. It has not formally been closed down, and may never formally be closed down. It is just being shelved.

Rees & Kraut have not admitted that Islamo-Trottery was a crap plan - and they won't admit it.

They have also not admitted that they fucked up their shitty little Islamo-Trot front by pissing off almost all their allies - and they won't admit it. It was GG's fault for dressing up as a cat and it was Salmonella Yakult's fault for not fixing the candidate selections in Brum to allow a Social Worker among the chosen and it was the fault of Big Abjol and Moneybags Hussain in east London for...

NB: Rees & Kraut were and are right. The CC was, is and ever will be correct. Amen.

Ramadan-a-ding-dong mubarak!

 

[dennisr]

fuck off, there red fascists just the same as the right fascists they would kill the likes of me and you i could tell you, Russia 1917 and the white army? read Emma Goldman living my life, best account i have read on the red fascists and it comes direct from Emma Goldman a lady i admire a grate deal..

agreed and the same with the "British Anarchist" though i have a anarchist thought and practice i can not decide i find the most fucking vile, i had a conversation or was it an argument and there Utopian ideals just fucked me of, no different from the "British Left" both sects are Middle Class and what the fuck do they offer the working class? we suffer and live under there occupation..

red fascists and middle class sects - so you haven't got any friends - what a terrible lonely time you must have - the incoherent gibbering makes more sense now

emma - she was that posh american middle class lass wasn't she?

 

[Fedayn]

fuck off, there red fascists just the same as the right fascists they would kill the likes of me and you i could tell you, Russia 1917 and the white army? read Emma Goldman living my life, best account i have read on the red fascists and it comes direct from Emma Goldman a lady i admire a grate deal..

Weeeeee....... wibble wibble.....

 

[Bakunin]

Yes, it means that the Central Committee of 'The Party' has decided that this 'united front of a special kind' - al-Respeq (Social Worker Faction) or The Lost List or The Lost Alternative or whatever it's called this week - is no longer where the action is and has therefore been de-prioritised. It has not formally been closed down, and may never formally be closed down. It is just being shelved.

Rees & Kraut have not admitted that Islamo-Trottery was a crap plan - and they won't admit it.

They have also not admitted that they fucked up their shitty little Islamo-Trot front by pissing off almost all their allies - and they won't admit it. It was GG's fault for dressing up as a cat and it was Salmonella Yakult's fault for not fixing the candidate selections in Brum to allow a Social Worker among the chosen and it was the fault of Big Abjol and Moneybags Hussain in east London for...

NB: Rees & Kraut were and are right. The CC was, is and ever will be correct. Amen.

Ramadan-a-ding-dong mubarak!

Well, I wasn't expecting any admission of culpability from the leaders of 'The Party' so I won't be disappointed when none are forthcoming. And you may well have a point about their not wanting to completely dispose of the Lost List for three possible reasons. One is that they may have yet another (and obviously entirely non-contradictory) change of CC 'line' and decide that the rotting corpse can be revived like the fringe political equivalent of Frankenstein's monster. The second is that they might want to hold on to the name just so nobody else can use it. And the third is that to completely shut the whole Islamist-Trotsky concept would be read by some as their admitting some culpability and that they are usually too proud and/or stupid to do.

Of course, none of those little smokescreens is going to blind seasoned observers of the Swappie leadership from seeing what's really going on, which is that as the SWP CC run 'The Party' pretty much as their own personal fiefdom they also have to carry the can for any (or should that read 'the undoubted series of') failures that they seemingly blunder into one after another.

If they want complete power over 'The Party' then they should be ready and willing to take complete responsibility as well. This they are conspicuously unwilling to do.

 

[e19896]

red fascists and middle class sects - so you haven't got any friends - what a terrible lonely time you must have - the incoherent gibbering makes more sense now

emma - she was that posh american middle class lass wasn't she?

No she was a Russian immigrant and much of time in The USA was in poverty..

Emma Goldman (1869–1940) stands as a major figure in the history of American radicalism and feminism. An influential and well-known anarchist of her day, Goldman was an early advocate of free speech, birth control, women's equality and independence, and union organization. Her criticism of mandatory conscription of young men into the military during World War I led to a two-year imprisonment, followed by her deportation in 1919. For the rest of her life until her death in 1940, she continued to participate in the social and political movements of her age, from the Russian Revolution to the Spanish Civil War.

http://sunsite3.berkeley.edu/Goldman/Writings/Speeches/170709.html

Indeed no friends, i have plenty of Working Class Mates and we are all Openly Classiest, with pride..

 

[e19896]

Weeeeee....... wibble wibble.....

oh dear me the middle class are speaking there incoherent bullshit..

 

[dennisr]

Indeed no friends, i have plenty of Working Class Mates and we are all Openly Classiest, with pride..

Feck me there's more of you. Thats a scary thought - and openly classist - whoaaa, you little devils you

ps yes, I know who EG was...

 

[audiotech]

Ahh yes, the comfort zone of political activity, behind a keyboard gibbering inanely.

 

[dennisr]

oh dear me the middle class are speaking there incoherent bullshit..

- Fed - posh with sideburns

 

[dennisr]

Ahh yes, the comfort zone of political activity, behind a keyboard gibbering inanely.

ah, come on, we are all a little guilty of that this eve

 

[e19896]

Ahh yes, the comfort zone of political activity, behind a keyboard gibbering inanely.

Talking of Class war

 

[audiotech]

ah, come on, we are all a little guilty of that this eve

Ee bah gum!

 

[audiotech]

Talking of Class war

What about it?

 

[Bakunin]

Link?

http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=2803

Looks like a nice little bunfight is developing over it.

Should be an entertaining 'handbags at twenty paces' pissing contest before too long.

 

[Lo Siento.]

fuck off, there red fascists just the same as the right fascists they would kill the likes of me and you i could tell you, Russia 1917 and the white army? read Emma Goldman living my life, best account i have read on the red fascists and it comes direct from Emma Goldman a lady i admire a grate deal..

weirdo.

 

[nino_savatte]

fuck off, there red fascists just the same as the right fascists they would kill the likes of me and you i could tell you, Russia 1917 and the white army? read Emma Goldman living my life, best account i have read on the red fascists and it comes direct from Emma Goldman a lady i admire a grate deal..

What are "red fascists"?

As for "grate deals"...where can I get a new grate for a decent price?

 

[osterberg]

What are "red fascists"?

As for "grate deals"...where can I get a new grate for a decent price?

Well I want to be the "Classiest".But I already am.

Originally Posted by e19896
Indeed no friends, i have plenty of Working Class Mates and we are all Openly Classiest, with pride..

 

[dennisr]

Well I want to be the "Classiest".But I already am.

damn, i didn't notice that slip of the keyboard

 

[poster342002]

I was fucking delighted

Not as delighted as I will be when this pair of arses decide to retire from politics altogether and go to live somewhere appropriate like the centre of a rubbish tip.

I agree. It's time these two clowns exited the political scene altogether.

I'm sure many people are now thoroughly sick and tired of this silly pair's third-rate Laurel & Hardy act.

 

[Fedayn]

oh dear me the middle class are speaking there incoherent bullshit..

In 'dribbly boy' world, middle class means being able to spell properly.

- Fed - posh with sideburns

That's me, can't get up in the morning unless the servants wake me whilst wafting the aroma of freshly ground Italian coffee in my face.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

That's me, can't get up in the morning unless the servants wake me whilst wafting the aroma of freshly ground Italian coffee in my face.

Oops!

 

[dennisr]

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[Bakunin]

I agree. It's time these two clowns exited the political scene altogether.

I'm sure many people are now thoroughly sick and tired of this silly pair's third-rate Laurel & Hardy act.

Hmmm, not so much Laurel and Hardy as Richie Richard and Eddie Hitler, IMHO, and about as successful at politics as Richie and Eddie were at getting their end away.

That's me, can't get up in the morning unless the servants wake me whilst wafting the aroma of freshly ground Italian coffee in my face.

Servants?

Servants?!

Why, you disgust me, sir. Don't you even know that slaves work harder, on longer hours and cost far less to run?

All you need is a bullwhip and a megaphone and your life of regal laziness can begin at once.

 

[Fedayn]

Oops!

Last edited by Louis MacNeice : 11-09-2008 at 14:52. Reason: Edited to erase evidence of stupidity

 

[sabatical]

I agree. It's time these two clowns exited the political scene altogether.

I'm sure many people are now thoroughly sick and tired of this silly pair's third-rate Laurel & Hardy act.

As its said that they are never alone with political schizophrenia, would you settle for three of them leaving ?

A vote could be taken amongst all other political groups on which one is to remain.

''Workers Liberty'' are taking liberties already, they must be falling about with extreme palpatating 'chuckling'.

Quote from Workers Liberty site >>>
Now, speculating on the whys and wherefores of the internal machinations of the SWP may seem like a sectarian occupation. But when the chairs are shuffled in this way and when the occupants of the chairs are 'leading members' of the largest 'revolutionary' organisation in the UK, other socialists should take note.

How can any with a serious face describe them as ''revolutionary', a push bike wheel is more revolutionary than the 'SWP'.

From WL's site -- taken from socialistunity.com >>>
The “Left Alternative” is the brand name of the SWP dominated part of Respect that split away from George Galloway, Salma Yaqoob and most of the councillors last year.

''''Since then the Left Alternative has fared disastrously. Gaining just 0.68% across London in the mayoral election in May, since then one of their councillors has joined the Conservatives, three have joined the Labour Party, and one of their GLA list candidates has joined the Lib Dems.'''

How backwards can they be, by any standards that's a description of reactionaries.

From WL's site taken from socialistunity.com>>>
At every throw of the dice the personal prestige of John Rees was prioritised over either the interests of the movement, or indeed even the interests of the SWP

It get worse, what 'personal' prestige would John Rees have, certainly none of his own, so who did this 'prestige' belong to, who was the 'person ?

From WL's site taken from socialistunity.com>>>
This is excellent news. There are very many capable and principled socialists within the SWP, many of whom have real achievements to their credit in the workers movement.

To put forward that there are many 'principled socialists' in the SWP is a contradiction in brain matter, which will only result in political lunacy. If any had 'principles' they would never have joined the SWP in the first place.
Only the most politically confused could consider them to be socialists.

Statements like that display a profound distortion in the analysis, or even the abilities for analysis by 'socialistunity', a dark shadow has been cast over them by themselves.
If they cannot define ''what is a socialist'' then one can wonder as to what their own members really are.

Silly to say the least and the road to political suicide, must be catching.

 

[e19896]

In 'dribbly boy' world, middle class means being able to spell properly.



That's me, can't get up in the morning unless the servants wake me whilst wafting the aroma of freshly ground Italian coffee in my face.

so it is now a fucking crime not abell to spell, i have pride in not going to School, pride at the age of 16 when i need to learn some basic in life i did on my own, with no indoctrination form the middle class, and make sure you exploit the servants..

Back to subject, have we not been here before ie Socialist Alliance, Respect is this not how The SWP act and why there is no real vanguard of The Working Class? Why when the working class are looking for a means to end there everyday shit there drifting towards the far right?

What we need to ask which form of fascism is better? of course niter and spending our time as armchair anarchist is not engaging with The Working Class is it comrades?

 

[osterberg]

To put forward that there are many 'principled socialists' in the SWP is a contradiction in brain matter, which will only result in political lunacy. If any had 'principles' they would never have joined the SWP in the first place.
Only the most politically confused could consider them to be socialists.

Yes, I have absolutely no principles . I joined the SWP to spread evil and to worship the Dark Lord Rees .

Look,mate , the vast majority of people who join a socialist party like the SWP do so because they want to overthrow capitalism and replace it with a democratic socialist society free of exploitation. If you want to want to advance any business interests or try to pursue a lucrative political career you join New Labour,the Tories or the Lib Dems.

Anyway I must go,I have a chicken to sacrifice.

 

[dennisr]

so it is now a fucking crime not abell to spell, i have pride in not going to School, pride at the age of 16 when i need to learn some basic in life i did on my own, with no indoctrination form the middle class, and make sure you exploit the servants..

Back to subject, have we not been here before ie Socialist Alliance, Respect is this not how The SWP act and why there is no real vanguard of The Working Class? Why when the working class are looking for a means to end there everyday shit there drifting towards the far right?

What we need to ask which form of fascism is better? of course niter and spending our time as armchair anarchist is not engaging with The Working Class is it comrades?

come again?