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Sounds like a fake test to me. And yes, doesn't sound like there's much to base an appeal on, although obviously a blatantly rigged pointless test would help there.
Redundancy problems
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Puddy_Tat
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there is a legal process (i'm assuming that the job is UK based) around 'unfair selection for redundancy' - bit more from CAB - which can be taken to employment tribunal.
Unions and ACAS may be able to offer more advice.
having said that, part of me wonders if being paid to quit might not be the best option.
also worth bearing in mind that if she has been working full time for a while, she may be entitled to claim jobseekers / universal credit based on national insurance contributions, without savings / partner's income being taken in to account, although there will be 'actively seeking work / available for work' hoops to jump through. i'm increasingly fuzzy about all of this, but gut feeling is if in doubt, claim.
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maomao
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Dodgy as fuck that out of five people made redundant the only one to be offered a job had no experience of working in xml and was the only one without a flexible wfh contract. But their arses look well covered.
equationgirl
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If it was me, I'd appeal it on the grounds that it has been potentially discriminatory against maternity status, and that the test was a sham given the outcome.
But you are not me, and that's totally fine.
maomao
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If it was me I'd be throwing everything I had at them and possibly threatening to torch the office too but it's not even me.
equationgirl
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I know that feeling, oh yes. I found that that thinking about throwing a Molotov was quite therapeutic.
Disclaimer: I never actually threw one, despite the most extreme provocation.
farmerbarleymow
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Irish353.109
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My advice to anyone who is aware of potential redundancy at thier workplace is to act now, don’t leave it until redundancy date or any redundancy related meetings at your workplace (and don’t waste time about the legality or political side of it either) based on my ow personal experiences - you must, for your own sake, (physically) go down to your local council housing officer (if living in a council property) and/or to citizens advice, preferably with “someone there” with you, especially if you live alone, in order to (properly) prepare for your redundancy and that “certain things” can be “put in place” - given the huge psychological effect that redundancy will have on you and that will “creep up on you“ without your becoming aware of, unless there is “someone there” you must understand that as you go through your redundancy, your ability to think rationally, clearly and in a common sense way will (gradually) become seriously compromised, which is why you must never attempt to handle any part of this process on your own, even if you later think (wrongly) that you can, because the reality will be that you will not know what you are doing - even if you think (otherwise/normally) that you have good IT skills, have internet access from home, regardless of your strengths otherwise in every other area, when it comes to the online Universal Credit claim form, you MUST NEVER attempt to complete this form at home/on your own/on your own computers/devices and ONLY under the supervision of council staff on council operated computers, not the jobcentre computers either (as they deal with these claims every day) as if you run into problems, neither the council staff can help you, nor will the jobcentre staff or helpline be willing to help you either - you MUST NOT make ANY assumptions about this whole process, write down ALL passwords, ask Council staff if you are unsure about ANYTHING (frequently and often) - jobsearches will become easier in council run facilities than at home (even if you do extra jobsearches at home online) because you will have a timetabled structure each day (aside from jobcentre appointments) - all of the above advice needs to become standard advice for all those facing redundancy who have been in full time employment longer than 5 years and living alone in council properties
equationgirl
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I don't think it's worth doing any of this until you know for certain whether or not your job is actually at risk, and by that I mean being given a letter stating that the role is being put at risk. Otherwise, and especially with an employer that does annual rounds of redundancies, you run the risk of looking like you worry unnecessarily.
I'm sorry it happened to you, redundancy is a shitty process.
Irish353.109
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I kind of get what you are saying, but even if you hear that redundancy is even possible in your company, let alone in your shop, is to get prepared as soon as possible - I left it too late, even after the letters & meetings (consultations) with management, where already, there were no union reps in our store as it was, so it was my fault for not acting sooner and so things went bad very quickly before I was even prepared
Irish353.109
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Sadly, unions in retail enter into “partnership agreements” with retail employers, where they will “keep quiet” about workplace issues and in some cases, have even been known to side with employers against workers as a result, even where union membership of a particular union is “part of your contract” with a particular retail employer
equationgirl
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You can be in a union even if there are union reps in your store. If you then need support I think a local full time rep will assist depending on the union.
Puddy_Tat
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blargh
as i've said elsewhere, union representation in retail is patchy. any union is only ever going to be as strong as its members - people increasingly see union membership in a consumerist way, and only want to have anything to do with the union when they have a difficulty, they don't take part, they don't go to meetings, they don't vote for reps then complain the union isn't representative...
and very
about being part of your contract - the 'closed shop' (shop as in shop floor / shop steward, not necessarily retail) was made illegal during the thatcher years...
Irish353.109
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I do recall a few years ago that a union official tried to come into our store to tell workers the truth about certain things that were going on in the company and he was very quickly silenced by management, more recently the union officials that do come in are just yes men for management - a few years ago as well, some workers in our store tried to join a more powerful union and/or set up thier own union but nothing ever came of it - from that point on, I just gave up on the political protest activist elements of trade unions and the left generally, because the reality (in simple terms) is that companies can force through anything that they want, even if the legality of it is dubious, as they can easily create the (false) impression that something is legal when it’s not, while at the same time anyone who is a “whistleblower” is bullied into silence and is often threatened with legal action for defamation, libel & slander (and all of this comes from those on the left and from within trade unions as well) - such people also use disagreement, including disagreement for its own sake, as a form of bullying in itself, against selected targets, where everything that target says, does or acts, is routinely “rubbished” and that target is (aggressively) silenced - anyone acting for those targets (and the targets themselves) are met with blatant and blunt walls of denial and the same is also true in bullying cases, complete with collusion with the medical and legal professions in bullying casesblargh
as i've said elsewhere, union representation in retail is patchy. any union is only ever going to be as strong as its members - people increasingly see union membership in a consumerist way, and only want to have anything to do with the union when they have a difficulty, they don't take part, they don't go to meetings, they don't vote for reps then complain the union isn't representative...
and very
Irish353.109
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Not with my trade union and not with my former company because of “partnership agreements” into between both of them, which is a serious ongoing problem with retail trade unions - I don’t normally get into the political elements of this but unions don’t really represent workers, they are “only there for show” and only look out for the interests of employers in my experience - many of the union shop stewards and reps in my former store, many of them with long family histories of trade union involvement and working in the retail sector, stepped down from their trade union rep roles in disgust when they found out in union training courses (devised by employers as part of partnership agreements between employers and unions) in terms of what they were expected to do and in terms of the attitudes they were expected to adopt towards workers as union reps, because they knew “on the ground” what was really going on - the situation now is that if members even get a response from the trade union it is very paltry and falls short
equationgirl
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My experience of unions is different to yours (engineering) Irish353.109 .
Please could you use shorter paragraphs in your posts, break up the text into smaller chunks? Otherwise it's really hard to read.
Please could you use shorter paragraphs in your posts, break up the text into smaller chunks? Otherwise it's really hard to read.
Irish353.109
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I’ve tried to transfer to other stores before and have attempted career changes in the past, often against the wishes of my family and certain people in my store, who have regarded same as being negative, whinging and moaning, but crucially also with unsympathetic attitudes from union shop stewards, no matter how difficult this is to believe
I can only put my honest experiences on here, for what it’s worth, but I no longer have any faith in trade unions or in leftist political movements generally, which at one time I used to to support
Frankly, it could only be lefties within the Tories who dreamed up the living hell that is Universal Credit
I can only put my honest experiences on here, for what it’s worth, but I no longer have any faith in trade unions or in leftist political movements generally, which at one time I used to to support
Frankly, it could only be lefties within the Tories who dreamed up the living hell that is Universal Credit
Puddy_Tat
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although don't get caught
some employers have realised it's cheaper to sack people for misconduct than pay redundancy - some ramp up the disciplinaries (and in some cases dodgy ones) when they are trying to 'reduce headcount'...
nogojones
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Oh, it's very important to never get caught. Spoils all the fun
Irish353.109
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Aside from the political side of things & all the other stuff, I freely admit that coming up to my redundancy, I did not act with common sense and maturity in preparing properly for it, taking personal responsibility and being more positive, as I have detailed what I should have done in earlier posts, as I have come to realise that I am the kind of person who does need to be bullied “for my own good” as I was not slapped often enough and hard enough as a child to make me cop on to myself - I now need to be more closely monitored to ensure that I am keeping to my claimant commitment because if I had been, I would have found another job far sooner, I need to grow up, shut up with the nonsense and lame excuses, accept reality, take responsibility and stop making excuses for my failure to find another job and record all efforts in the journal - and if getting a sanction is what it takes to make me wake up and grow up, so be it
Irish353.109
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Richly deserved in my case, if that had happened
Irish353.109
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Sorry - I do rant on too much - I need to shut up and grow up
Irish353.109
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I can only tell the truth, as I have been relentlessly bullied by others all my life, which I have come to realise over the years was richly deserved in my caseblargh
as i've said elsewhere, union representation in retail is patchy. any union is only ever going to be as strong as its members - people increasingly see union membership in a consumerist way, and only want to have anything to do with the union when they have a difficulty, they don't take part, they don't go to meetings, they don't vote for reps then complain the union isn't representative...
and very
Irish353.109
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I don’t understand that I am wrong - I need to learn to shut up, grow up, accept responsibility, cop on to myself and stop making excuses - everyone else is always right regardless
Irish353.109
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If I was not living alone and under much closer supervision, I would have handled it better - I realised many years ago that moving to the U.K. was a bad move for me and I had pinned my hopes on moving back to Ireland but it could not happen because of the cost of living over there, which I found out about the last time I was over on a visit after my Dad’s death - I never took the signs seriously because I never “had anyone there” and this is one reason (quite rightly) why many people believe (including local council staff - privately) that people should not be living alone
equationgirl
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You're not wrong, you have had different experiences than me. That's ok. Please don't feel that you have to shut up.
