Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
I would have thought that in a recession it's all about reducing the wage bill which means cutting headcount.
Stressful time whatever though
Redundancy Day In The Office Today
- Thread starter el_starkos
- Start date
I would have thought that in a recession it's all about reducing the wage bill which means cutting headcount.
Stressful time whatever though
Kanda
Diving wanker
4 people do the same job, that's still 4 jobs, it's the jobs that are redundant. The redundancy process *should* be a fair way of selection for those 4 people.
You can't just say: Well we like Tom, get rid of the other 3 without any kind of fair selection process.
(In an ideal world that is)
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Well its not quite being sold as LIFO here, just that after voluntary redundancies length of service and experience is considered, and if two people have identical service then it goes to performance. They are giving a minimum of 6 weeks plus 4 weeks in lieu of notice to everyone including people whi started a few weeks ago. Theya re making a big deal about wanting to retain experienced and skilled staff, so I suppose thats why they are getting rid of the new guys too.
I can't really think of any fair reduncy policies, its a pile of shit whatever way you cut it. And what is completely fucking barking isthat in this dept we all had to come in an hour early this morning ( at time and a half!) because of some unexpected business, when we were all looking for stuff to do yesterday!
I can't really think of any fair reduncy policies, its a pile of shit whatever way you cut it. And what is completely fucking barking isthat in this dept we all had to come in an hour early this morning ( at time and a half!) because of some unexpected business, when we were all looking for stuff to do yesterday!
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
You can't just make people redundant to save money, there's laws about that sort of thing. If the company needs to save money and does that through contraction or restructuring then that may make some roles surplus to requirements, at which point the unfortunate ones get made redundant - but even then, the company has to prove that the persons job no longer exists, and that they can't be found a different job within the company.
At least that's my understanding of the situation.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Well we're making less money than a few months ago (so they claim) so they are using that as a justification for a worldwide 15% cut in expenditure. As they were still recruiting locally a few weeks ago, and in Feb announced a planned expansion of 180 jobs in Cork, its a bit of a turnaround all right! But that was before the markets went into free fall. They have also said that they will not be filling these redundant posts again for six months minimum, so not sure how it all works!
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Can they do that???! Or is employment law different in Ireland?
Pretty sure they can't (again.. awaits Cesare)
Oops, soz
I don't know about employment law in the ROI but I doubt it'll be hugely different to the UK because of the overarching EU aspect.
In the UK, a redundancy situation happens when there is a ceasing or diminishing of work.
All affected employees have to be meaningfully consulted about how to avoid or minimise the effects of redundancy & selection criteria. If the numbers go above 20 within a 90 day period, then collective consultation kicks in - union/s and elected employee representatives.
There are no rules for selection criteria, that's a matter for consultation. Many employers have ditched the old LIFO criteria (Last In First Out) in favour of retaining the best skills. But there are some employers that use LIFO up to one year's service, because employment protection against unfair dismissal is triggered at one year.
Sometimes volunteers are encouraged, but employers generally reserve the right to refuse a voluntary application if the employee is key, or the severance cost would be too high.
Selection criteria - often a matrix is used. Criteria might include skills, application/attitude, disciplinary record, attendance record (discounting disability and/or family leave related), etc with LIFO being the decider where the scores are the same.
Redeployment and retraining have to be considered.
The six month thing is a myth. There's no legislation that says that employers have to wait for 6 months before re-employing. I think that myth has arisen through practice ... waiting until time limits for making claims for unfair dismissal/unfair selection for redundancy claims have passed.
Good luck to all who are facing this.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Very interesting ( and sounding very familiar).
AverageJoe
...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Probably the same basic principles apply? Also, it can get a lot more complicated in larger organisations, where there may be different contractual conditions to take into account.
el_starkos
\m/(>.
Hi all. Yup, got made redundant which is why I've not been on for a while.
It was 'a cull' - 80% of the workforce binned and worldwide ops basically shut down. Nice.
Signed on today for the first time in about 15 years!
It was 'a cull' - 80% of the workforce binned and worldwide ops basically shut down. Nice.
Signed on today for the first time in about 15 years!
el_starkos
\m/(>.
5t3IIa
Registered User
Sorry to hear that man. I got the same on Thursday. Signed on too!
You been to agencies and stuff? What's your action like? Mine's been crap
el_starkos
\m/(>.
el_starkos
\m/(>.
Sorry to hear that man. I got the same on Thursday. Signed on too!
You been to agencies and stuff? What's your action like? Mine's been crap
Shit, I'm really sorry mate - it's fecking happening everywhere
Not really done agencies yet - just been trolling the job boards and getting the CV out there. Got an interview with a body tomorrow to see if I can get some funding for some training - it's a start anyway.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
There was a photo on the front of the local paper yesterday of the dole office, with a big queue out the door and over the bridge!
Apparantly signing on figures in Cork are up over 50% on last year, and its only just started (Pfizer closing one plant next week or so too).
It's getting a bit bloody scarey TBH.
Apparantly signing on figures in Cork are up over 50% on last year, and its only just started (Pfizer closing one plant next week or so too).It's getting a bit bloody scarey TBH.
el_starkos
\m/(>.
Just had a positive. Looks like I'm going to get funding from the Welsh Assembly to get my ITIL and PRINCE2 training / qualifications.
Fingers crossed!
Fingers crossed!
Similar threads
