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It's been printed, and I have a fresh batch of copies in my grubby mitts. Should be online in a couple of days.
Nice report, Belboid.
Nice report, Belboid.
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cockneyrebel
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Fuck me, that's the sum total of the organised left in the TGWU!!!!
As it goes Nigel there's nothing unusual about WP not having a paper over the summer months. If you look back at the back issues of the website we've consistently published 10 copies a year......
As for a cracking read, I have to say Nigel that The Socialist is probably the dullest paper on the left, with the exception of the AWL's paper.
cockneyrebel
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The Sparts paper can be hilarious though.....if not intentionally....
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
cockneyrebel said:
It's a slight understimate (but only a slight one). 5 or so Socialist Party members were delegates, which is pretty fucking weak in one of the biggest unions in the country. Certainly nothing to be boasting about. I had been told, and belboid has confirmed, that the rest of the organised left groups by and large didn't even have a single delegate which is downright frightening. Of course there are members of various groups who weren't at the delegate conference, but still...
cockneyrebel said:
So it isn't a "monthly" at all then? You usually have a three or four month gap between issues?
cockneyrebel said:
Just goes to show you how mileage varies. I like the socialist because it has the clearest and sharpest political analysis around. Workers Power on the other hand is along with Socialist Worker about the only paper on the British left which I have never considered taking out a subscription for.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
belboid said:
Yes really. What they were all doing at any particular time I couldn't tell you because I haven't a clue.
Did any of the left have fringe meetings other than the SP and Socialist Appeal?
cockneyrebel
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Those occurances must be few and far between!
Yep it shows how utterly irrelevant the organised left is in the vast majority of the TU movement in the UK. From zero to 5 delegates for the various trotskyist groups in the UK is, as you say, frightening/pathetic.
I've said if you look at the past few years worth of WP on the website we publish 10 copies a year (divide 10 by 12 on a calculator if you really want to know how often WP comes out in terms of months). Why you need to ask me that question when I've already provided you an answer I don't know.
I just think The Socialist is very boring to read. As it goes you said on another thread a while back that you didn't mind reading Workers Power, but there you go.
belboid
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fair enough - Theesa & Rob were the only ones 'visible'.Nigel Irritable said:
no. There is no history of fringe meetings at T&G conference for some reason - there were quite a few this year largely (its reckoned) because Woodley was speaking at the Stop the War one, thus giving them the general go ahead.
The Socialist Appeal meeting wasn't really a Socialist Appeal meeting either, it was a Hands off Venezuela meeting that they had organised - and plastered there name over the leafelt, which probably put a fair few people of attending.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
cockneyrebel said:
I don't remember saying it, but both statements are true as it goes. I'll read the back of the cornflakes box if I'm bored enough. Workers Power is normally readable enough, certainly more so than Socialist Worker, but I rarely get anything politically out of it and it isn't entertaining enough to justify subscribing to on the same basis that I might subscribe to Spart papers (ie they are mental and dirt cheap). It doesn't have the depth of analysis that the socialist has, but unlike say Solidarity (which I tend to violently disagree with) neither does it contain an interesting or coherent challenge to what I already believe.
cockneyrebel
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no its ok. You always say that. AWL paper is pretty good too actually, its front page headline, like all fron pages on the left, is a shambles and always mixes up liberalist pressure group stuff (tell tony x, or Show th govt y etc.) with actual revolutionary socialism which i think the AWL are not as interested in as calling fro a few more strikes in unions. they have a very readble paper though, despite being the poshest group i have met and never doing anything except TU related boredom. I haven't read WP in years, but read the LFI newswire and its great, though sometimes (at least once an issue) it projects what it would LIKE to see rather than what is true and a lot of racil/religious conflicts are made into left right things, but thats true of a most trotskist material. LFI's stuff on europe is really good though. Don't care what everyone thinks of themcockneyrebel said:
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