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Recommend me some classical music

Its got a lot to do with the period the composer lived.

Ie Handel and Mozart - they lived at a time when musical instrument development was such that notes could not last very long, hence lots of tinkling up and down. (Plus the style of music at that time.) Its not for me. I am not a major fan of Bach for that very reason. Running up and down the damn scale. Too simple.

By the time Beethoven (classical) and Rachmaninov (romantic) came along, instruments could hold their notes for longer, musical form and development had progressed, the concept of 'tune', and the romantic era was born. There were the big operas and big solo concertos, such as Elgar's celo concerto very famously played by Jaqueline Du'Pre. Not to say Mozart didnt write big concertos, but they were simpler. I'd recommend some of this. My fav is late classical (Mozart's requiem is a fine idea) to late romantic (go right through Beethoven especially the 9th, and the piano concertos, some of the slow movemtns make you want to die they are so perfect, include Rachmaninov and not just the 2nd piano concerto, learn the operas, then the heavyweight Russians.)

I agree with the recommendation of Shostakovitch and Prokofiev - they both wrote cello concertos which are outstanding for example. Get them played by Yo Yo Ma.

I don't like the ballerina composers such as Tchaikovsky - too much shimmering violin and not enough tune.

I am not into the English composers either like Benjamin Britten, too crap. Give me the Russians any day, but they can become pompous in the closing parts of their big finales which you said you didnt want. I would also leave out Philip Glass unless you like listening to someone knock on the side of the piano.
 
I recommend Shostakovich. I think he may have a reputation for being challenging, but I think a lot of his music is very accessible - it's tremendously exciting and powerful. It can seem bombastic, but it's never gratuitously so, and the bombast is often part of a political comment in the music.
Does he? I hadn't realised that. He's not at all challenging, though. Very Russian, but with a huge debt to Mahler. The leading Soviet era composer (though he was in and out of favour as an approved composer laureate of Soviet ideology, poor bloke).

I like his piano works best, personally.
 
Tchaikovsky and Beethoven for me. All moody, romantic and sweeping dynamics. I like that VERY LOUD very quiet
thing - reminds me of the Pixies.

Cant be doing with Mozart - too many notes ;). Bach too mathematical.

Later stuff like Phillip Glass I find very cold and calculated. Head rather than Heart music.
 
Cant be doing with Mozart - too many notes ;).
:D I know that that opinion was scoffed at in the film, but actually I've always thought that, too. In that much of the arpeggio and ornamentation was just there for the sake of it.

I don't dismiss Mozart at all, but he does get marks taken off for his ... shall we call it Whitney tendancy. ;)
 
Stuff White People Like - #108 Appearing to enjoy Classical Music
Though white people do not actually listen to classical music, they like to believe that they are the type of people who would enjoy it. You can witness this first hand by going to any classical performance at your local symphony where you will see literally dozens of white couples who have paid upwards of $80 for the right to dress up and sit in a chair for hours reading every word in the program.

After leaving the concert hall, white people will immediately begin telling everyone they know about how much they loved the performance and how they plan to “go more often.” This is because white people see little to no value enjoying classical music without recognition from other white people. This can be seen first hand by looking at the plaques and bricks around all opera houses: they are covered in white person names.

If a white person starts talking to you about classical music, it’s essential that you tread very lightly. This is because white people are all petrified that they will be exposed as someone who has only a moderate understanding of classical music.​
 
Stuff White People Like - #108 Appearing to enjoy Classical Music
Though white people do not actually listen to classical music, they like to believe that they are the type of people who would enjoy it. You can witness this first hand by going to any classical performance at your local symphony where you will see literally dozens of white couples who have paid upwards of $80 for the right to dress up and sit in a chair for hours reading every word in the program.

After leaving the concert hall, white people will immediately begin telling everyone they know about how much they loved the performance and how they plan to “go more often.” This is because white people see little to no value enjoying classical music without recognition from other white people. This can be seen first hand by looking at the plaques and bricks around all opera houses: they are covered in white person names.

If a white person starts talking to you about classical music, it’s essential that you tread very lightly. This is because white people are all petrified that they will be exposed as someone who has only a moderate understanding of classical music.​

:hmm:
 
Fully plumped - fantastic post!!! :D
Violent Panda, I only know Vaughan-Williams from that list, but yes, its not for me. Its wet. In my opinion. :D
 
Fully plumped - fantastic post!!! :D
Violent Panda, I only know Vaughan-Williams from that list, but yes, its not for me. Its wet. In my opinion. :D
You need to listen to Bantock's "Pagan Symphony". Definitely not "wet". :)
The problem is, of course, that the less "commercial" the sound, the less it gets used in an orchestra's repertoire, and the less likelihood of a decent version being recorded and marketed.
There is loads of good British 19th and 20th century stuff out there, but it can take a bit of hunting down.
 
Does he? I hadn't realised that. He's not at all challenging, though.
I think he only has a challenging rep 'cos he's 20th century and has a long Russian name.

(though he was in and out of favour as an approved composer laureate of Soviet ideology, poor bloke).

I like his piano works best, personally.
I recommend reading his memoirs - their authenticity has been questioned by some, but I think the voice seems real to me. He had a terrifying time - so many people around him were disappeared or killed outright and he just spent his life waiting for it to happen to him. Which amazingly, and thankfully, it didn't.

I love his preludes and fugues for piano.
 
Given that BrainAddict likes Drum'n'Bass I'd recommend Walton's 1st Symphony, well on par with heavy drum'n'bass. Walton is a Brit too, plenty of great composers from this fair isle.
 
Walton is a Brit too, plenty of great composers from this fair isle.
I like his Violin Concerto best.

It was a bit flippant of Eva to have a go at Brit composers; Britten and Vaughan Williams and the like can be a bit too chocolate box, but dismissing them all deprives you of Tallis, who really is a towering figure on the world stage (which even the most ardent Britten fan has to admit doesn't apply to their hero).
 
Britten and Vaughan Williams and the like can be a bit too chocolate box,

None of th Britten I'm acquainted with is particularly 'Chocolate Box' (War Requiem Peter Grimes, Rejoice in the Lamb, all of the Canticles etc).

On a UK tip I'm recommend Arthur Bliss, Francis Jackson, Herbert Howells (fucking genius), Elgar, Parry, Giles Swayne, Roxanna Panufnik, Finzi, Haris, Dyson, Grayston Ives etc etc

(ps this thread is boring, could poeple please do a forum search before posting another one like this in the future, the responses are always fucking identical)
 
You're quite right that Peter Grimes isn't "chocolate box", especially in subject matter. I like Curlew River myself. But I did say "can be", and I think that's especially true of the stuff that is in the repertoire, such as the folk songs.

You're right to pick out Howells: his Requiem is stunning.
 
I'm always thinking I should give it more of a go because I sometimes hear something I like but don't know what it is. But the radio plays shit classical

No it doesn't. Classic FM plays excellent classical music. During the day it plays mainly established pieces but none the worse for that. Here's the past hour's playlist -

29/09/08 12:24 pm Leo Delibes Sylvia - Les Chasseresses (fanfare)
29/09/08 12:27 pm John Brunning Romance.
29/09/08 12:30 pm Jules Massenet Thais - Meditation
29/09/08 12:39 pm Xian Xinghai Yellow River Piano Concerto (3)
29/09/08 12:47 pm Giacomo Puccini 'nessun Dorma'
29/09/08 12:50 pm William Walton Spitfire Prelude and Fugue
29/09/08 1:04 pm Antonio Vivaldi Guitar Concerto In A Major Rv82 (1)
29/09/08 1:07 pm John Field Divertissement No.1 In E Major
29/09/08 1:14 pm Jay Ungar The Ashokan Farewell
29/09/08 1:23 pm Cesar Franck Panis Angelicus
29/09/08 1:27 pm Isaac Albeniz Tango
29/09/08 1:30 pm Karl Jenkins Palladio (1)
29/09/08 1:34 pm Franz Krommer Clarinet Concerto In Eb Major Opus 36 (3)​

Huge variety. Some great music there. Only problem is the DJ prattling, the ads, the constant talking. If they would just shut up!

Radio 3 - everything you could want. None of it rubbish. And how would you know if it were?

...I know I don't like lots of classical music because it falls into one of the following categories: twee, pretty, overtly religious, melodramatic, bombastic, or overly intellectual/tuneless.

Right - let's take something almost at random. I was listening to Radio 3 in the car yesterday during a long motorway drive - the Radio 3 request show. They played the Bach Double Violin Concerto with David and Igor Oistrakh - starts at 1h29m in the programme. Is this twee? It is beautiful; maybe bits are pretty. Not overtly religious, but what if it were? In those days everything was a tribute to God. Melodramatic? I don't think so, but again why not? Bombastic, overly intellectual? No. And it has so many tunes! In their place, those things you say you don't like make for great music.

Hopefully that still leaves some I could like. Any suggestions? :D

You have ruled out most classical music, but you accept that you don't know anything about it.

My advice - listen to everything, as for as much time as you can spare.

Don't be selective. You know nothing about it and aren't really in a position to make judgements.

Listen to the really popular stuff - it is popular for a good reason, often because it is great music.

Listen to Beethoven's 5th Symphony, listen to Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, listen to Vivaldi - yes Vivaldi - starting with the Four Seasons. Listen to Elgar, especially the religious stuff. It isn't infectious. Read a bit about the historical, religious and social background to the music - will do you no harm to know the history of the culture you come from and putting it in context will help understanding.

Listen to the stuff people here have recommended (maybe leave James McMillan for a bit, though! :)).

Go to live music. Located in 1920s Paris as you are means you should be spoilt for choice. Definitely go and see a Mozart opera or two.
 
Mozart's Requiem. Just been listening to it in the office. I know the OP objected to anything overtly religious, but if you don't speak Latin there's no reason to suspect a thing.
 
Mozart's Requiem. Just been listening to it in the office. I know the OP objected to anything overtly religious, but if you don't speak Latin there's no reason to suspect a thing.
Well, exactly. The thing about music is that while you might not relate to the inspiration, you can certainly enjoy the outcome.
 
I'm not getting on with Bach at all. I'm like "Dude, where's all this going? Get to the frigging point!"
But he never does :(
 
What are you listening to?
Brandenberg Concertos.

IMHO far too many posters on this thread are concerned with what I *ought* to like :p For example you might as well try and get me to listen to U2 as Vivaldi or Mozart. I don't care if they were geniuses* - I don't like them. If I did then I would enjoy Classic FM a lot more and wouldn't have to put up this thread :p :D

Thanks for all the suggestions though :)


*Mozart, not Bono
 
Brandenberg Concertos.
Which recording? Some are better than others.

Honestly, I wouldn't tackle any of Bach's orchestral work as an opener. If you want to know what he's about, I think you'll get a better idea if you listen to something he wrote for a single instrument. That's why I recommended what I did. I'd start with the Cello Suites (Rostropovich's recording), and then go for either Goldberg or the Well-tempered Clavier. That way you'll build an appreciation of what he trying to achieve as far as counterpoint and structure is concerned.

The point is to forget what you know about melody. Bach is thinking harmonically.

:)
 
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