Fuck off!
I've lived there and I found it as intolerable to live with the threat that the bnp may be the majority on the council soon as I do living with Labour corruption.
Recommend me a Tory / Lib Dem borough
- Thread starter Zachor
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Fuck off!
I've lived there and I found it as intolerable to live with the threat that the bnp may be the majority on the council soon as I do living with Labour corruption.
scifisam
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Try the Southern boroughs that are pretty much Kent - the ones that also voted for your mate Boris.
What groups of people would those be, then?
What groups of people would those be, then?
newbie
undisambiguated
Fuck off!
fair enough. try Bromley then, they always seem to take the lead in opposing anything sensible.
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
If you have the misfortune to live in Lambeth I have to agree with you they are a dreadful council racked by corruption and incompetence. But not all Labour councils are like that. I live in Lewisham which has a Labour mayor and a Labour minority chamber. Although the mayor (Sir Steve Bollocks, sorry Bullock) has a tendency to steamroller over the chamber it is not a bad council. Well compared to Lambeth Baghdad council is an improvement. I know people who live in Kingston, Richmond and Sutton all LibDem controlled and they rate their councils very highly.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That is a seriously fucked up attitude. The prospect of a BNP council is as intolerable as Labour corruption.Fuck off!
Why exactly do you post on this site? The Daily Mail has a message board, you know.
Would prefer to stay in North London and woudn't want to go to a 'white flight' borough like Havering.
In Newham it is groups who can be guaranteed by community leaders to get a whipped vote out in Newhams case its Muslims but in other Labour boroughs it can be different groups such as evangelical Christians etc. In that particular borough its a case of 'get the vote out and we'll nod through your building plans or nod through a grant applicaton'. Also if you have a lot of benefit claimants in a borough they will automatically vote Labour as they see largesse coming their way if they do so. Its not a case of criticising any particular group more a criticism of Labour Party machine politics in local govt.
I saw when I was working for Newham how the council played one group off against another which is not healthy poltics for a so called progressive party.
Maybe somewhere there is a labour borough that isn't as fucked up as Newham, B and D or Harringey but I haven't found one yet.
That is a seriously fucked up attitude. The prospect of a BNP council is as intolerable as Labour corruption.
Why exactly do you post on this site? The Daily Mail has a message board, you know.
I hate corruption and I hate the fash. Whats wrong with that.
I don't post on the DM site cos its full of quasi fascist dribbling loons.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fair enough. I wouldn't want to post on a site where everyone was like me either.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
[qoute]In Newham it is groups who can be guaranteed by community leaders to get a whipped vote out in Newhams case its Muslims but in other Labour boroughs it can be different groups such as evangelical Christians etc. In that particular borough its a case of 'get the vote out and we'll nod through your building plans or nod through a grant applicaton'. Also if you have a lot of benefit claimants in a borough they will automatically vote Labour as they see largesse coming their way if they do so. Its not a case of criticising any particular group more a criticism of Labour Party machine politics in local govt.
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You need to read Rotten Boroughs in Private Eye. Do you seriously think that Tory councils are any less venal toward their supporters? Also, your comments about benefits claimants are bollocks, quite simply because all the voting studies show that benefit claimants are the least likely group of people to vote.
Local govt is a piece of piss to get away with corruption, be that waved through planning applications through to stupid vanity projects for longstanding councillors.
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You need to read Rotten Boroughs in Private Eye. Do you seriously think that Tory councils are any less venal toward their supporters? Also, your comments about benefits claimants are bollocks, quite simply because all the voting studies show that benefit claimants are the least likely group of people to vote.
Local govt is a piece of piss to get away with corruption, be that waved through planning applications through to stupid vanity projects for longstanding councillors.
Thanks for the info about Lewisham. Maybe I've had the misfortune to live in fucked up Labour boroughs and that has jaded me somewhat.
Yup I agree those south west councils you mentioned do seem to have a fair amount of voter satisfaction. However I agree that there is always some 'bentness' in local authorities but it seems to be far far worse in Labour boroughs or at least that is my experience.
Come to think of it having lived and worked in Newham a slug could be put in charge of the council and do a better job.
You need to read Rotten Boroughs in Private Eye. Do you seriously think that Tory councils are any less venal toward their supporters? Also, your comments about benefits claimants are bollocks, quite simply because all the voting studies show that benefit claimants are the least likely group of people to vote.
Local govt is a piece of piss to get away with corruption, be that waved through planning applications through to stupid vanity projects for longstanding councillors.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I do read rotton boroughs. I don't deny that there is corruption and dodgyness in Tory boroughs its just that I've had a belly full of Labour corruption and waste. The comment about benefit claimants may be correct in part but I have seen labour canvassers using the 'vote labour or there'll be benefit cuts' line.
Fair enough. I wouldn't want to post on a site where everyone was like me either.
Not exactly I'm too left wing for the DM site. (which gives you some idea just how fucked up the DM boards are).
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
plus the Mails anti-semitism is pronounced enough to make them despise a gentile convert like yourself.
I think the DM readers despise anyone who isn't a mirror image of themselves to be honest.
My idea of hell is living in the Viz village of Nicebury on the Water where everyone reads the Daily Mail and anyone who doesn't is considered a Terrorist.
I want to live in a place thats diverse but not corrupt which I don't think is too much to ask for.
Griff
Feeding the foxes
Zachor, if you're going South in Israel, check this place out in the Arava Desert:
http://www.jewcy.com/userblog/anarchy_arava
Lived there for a year and it was a total head-fuck.
Do other searches on Kiibutz Samar/Anarchist.
http://www.jewcy.com/userblog/anarchy_arava
Lived there for a year and it was a total head-fuck.
Do other searches on Kiibutz Samar/Anarchist.
Zachor, if you're going South in Israel, check this place out in the Arava Desert:
http://www.jewcy.com/userblog/anarchy_arava
Lived there for a year and it was a total head-fuck.
Do other searches on Kiibutz Samar/Anarchist.
Thanks for that.
Yeah there is also a top notch eco kibutz in the southern Negev as well (name escapes me for present) which I want to see. Apparantly they are heavily involved in sustainably greening the desert and cross community peace acvitites which actually work.
Thats why Enfield appeals its not full of white flight wankers like Havering, its reasonably diverse and isn't Labour. Main problem is no tube line.
scifisam
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The train line's not bad, though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
*Moves to Enfield with bunch of mates and votes Labour council in*
Seriously, though, if you're that concerned, why don't you stay and fight your case where you live. It doesn't say much for your regard for your neighbours that you want to leave.
Seriously, though, if you're that concerned, why don't you stay and fight your case where you live. It doesn't say much for your regard for your neighbours that you want to leave.
Thats interesting to know. I used to have to come in via Chadwell Heath/Liverpool Street/ Circle line and that was bugger of a journey from the East. What station does the Enfield line terminate at?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Which is different from 'they will automatically vote Labour as they see largesse coming their way ' is it not?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
How dare politicians seek the votes of the indigent. People on benefits would not be allowed to vote in a just world.
scifisam
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Liverpool St. It's a fairly reliable line, though obviously not as frequent as the tube. I think it's all on Oyster now.
Once you get a Labour council its very difficult to get rid of them unless they piss off people who are motivated to vote as in Hammersmith and Fulham. Voter apathy is the corrupt Labour councillors greatest asset.
I did get involved in a political activity in Harringey which was cross party but was against the Labour planning dept but sadly despite mass support for the cause the council rejected what the community wanted (a continuation of the existing community and small business facility) in favour of what the (probably bent) councillors wanted which was a huge fuck off gated housing development
This was the final straw for me. Never again do I want to live in a Labour corrupt shithole. The irony is the gated communtiy that Labour have approved is going to fuck up about 30 mostly ethnic minority businesses - so much for all the equal opps bollocks they spout.
Its better now that its Oystered up. I've travelled on the bit from seven sisters to L'pool street and was surprised at just how good the services is.
How about Epping? Has a Lib-Dem/Tory council, plus a few bone-headed BNP councillors voted in by the good people of Debden.
Greenery plus the Central Line & racists on every corner.
Sounds a bit like Dagenham but with more trees LOL!
Not yet.
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