Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by editor, Jun 7, 2018.
yeah - I guess. I always tried to look on the positive side though.
Confrontation was inherent in the model though, the physical seizure of space. That RTS is not remembered for violence but for everything else instead is quite a testament.
Reclaim the streets from who? The public using the streets? Genius idea.
With this, the TR demo and the big anti-Brexit one, central London is going to be a bit weird on the 23rd.
Went to Liverpool Street, did that thing. Got on a tube and ran up the motorway, remember lawrie immersion or whoever it was playing London acid City as the curtain sides of the lorry opened and stuff got fuzzed over the side of the motorway from all angles
And little else after
Their was definitely a semblance of dibble on the motorway but they were fully steamed iirc
Under the cobblestones is the beach , KLF in an armoured car, jumpers for goalposts. ...
Just booked an apartment in London for the Saturday night. Should be fun getting involved
I look south with a sense of loss, yet again stuck in the land where nothing ever happens......
But we still have a real sense of community here! I MEAN IT’S BORING, BUT....
I'll be there in Kensington.
I think all three events will probably go off in their own spaces without interacting. Pick your crowd and stick to it. I'm a little torn between the Reclaim the Streets thing and Anti Brexit one.
first world problems
Why are people trying to recreate something that (inevitably) failed absolutely in the 1990s?
It succeeded in being a good laugh on the day but the real legacy is that it brought a lot of people into activist politics... Different generations have their moment it seems... The student fee demos of 2010 brought in a whole bunch for example. RTS did it for me... Went for the party, stayed for the politics. I'm not the only one im sure
The whole TAZ thing is massively limited but always welcome in my book
I don't think it failed. All that black, red, orange, yellow and beige on this map of London represents success.
I kind of take the point about it being very different to the '90s and so partly a strange thing to try and do in another context and time, but why so you think RTS things 'failed absolutely' in the '90s?
Hmmmm. Wasn't really about car ownership though was it?
Anti-road building (no more capitalist infrastructure) > anti-car driven enclosure of public space > control of the streets > internationalism > ecology, anti-capitalist, and class struggle/Liverpool Dockers > anti-State/anti-election stuff > wider anti-capitalist struggle/J18.
I think after that it lost the direction and impetus with the Mayday stuff, and then there was a decline generally for a number of reasons - policing being a major one.
We are the public.
RTS was very observably not a failure.
We took the space, held it and a a big fuck off party and they couldn't stop us.
The “TR” one seems to be actually a pro Brexit one started to oppose the anti Brexit, so they will definitely be wanting to get up in the anti Brexit march’s shit, and the police will be trying to keep them apart - which may leave things open a bit for RTS.
Any idea on the location for rts? I'm planning on doing the brexit march but I'm a sucker for a good soundsystem
(Obviously I'm a cop who has been embedded on u75 for 15 years waiting for this moment!)
J18 was fab. Pity RTS lost their bottle as a result.
I don't think it failed at all.
not to mention their soundsystem
not surprised that arse treelover liked your post, but would be interest to know on what metrics you base your comment
Errr... how did RTS 'lose their bottle' after J18?
It lost the political and practical direction a bit for sure, and then together with very heavy policing of the group (outside the events themselves), personal stress and burn-out for some people, the problems with the dynamic between the open RTS group and a smaller group of friends within it that largely made all the strategic decisions, the autonomy and time that the dole gave became much harder to get, and then the fact the group became really popular in London and was being pulled in all sorts of directions were more the issues.
The invisible leadership were appalled at what had happened at J18 and frightened at what they had created and failed to control.
They then gave up, disbanded.
Further, the leadership group found out for themselves at J18 that they were militant liberals not anarchists. Dissenters at best but never revolutionaries.
Let us not forget that horrific trot look alike bastard child thing that came about in the early noughties whose name escapes me - plus the state amped the paranoia up to the max - kettling from 2000 didn't help - especially as the SWP led people into an Oxford Circus kettle early in the day.
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