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Really beginning to piss me off now.

story

Gone for a Burton
We live in the dispersal zone in Brixton. Well, just on the edge of it, which is part of the problem.

All the dealers and users who have been moved on from Windrush Square, Rushcroft Rd and Saltoun Road are now frequenting our street.

Every morning I find empty wraps on the doorstep. My front garden has been trashed, it smells of piss, old shreddies and lord knows what left lying about.

Since mid-August, we've been calling in every incident with the local cop shop. Just last week, they finally got round to sending over a PCSO. They listened politely, gave us a phone number to use, and left. The phone number has proven useless - if they answer at all, it's an ansaphone, and if a real person takes the call, no-one comes round. So we're back to reporting the incidents to the cop shop.

Once in a while, when someone is actively dealing or using, they send a squad car, but only if one is free. Then they scold the user, and that's it. They can only arrest if there are drugs to be found, but of course there never are - users are canny.

I realise this is not emergency stuff, and that the police are overstretched and so on. We've been really patient about this, we understand the picture, but it's really really starting to annoy. And we don't know what to do about the situation.

The police are not making any difference to the situation. If they patrol (they say that they do...), it has made no difference.

We had a confronatation on the doorstep with a very volatile young man last week. He was chopping out lines on the doorstep, and I asked him to have a bit of respect, so he called me a cunt. He almost went off on one, but I managed to calm him down and walked him off the premises. When I reported this to the cops, their response was "Why didn't you call 999?" I explained that for me to go back into the house to fetch the phone and call the cops, when he was on the doortep, already wound up, would not have been helpful, useful, clever, or sensible.

When I mentioned that (on another occaison) our doorstep pinta had been nicked, the cop said "Why didn't you report that? That's theft. Go down the station and report it". I confess I laughed in his face. "This is Brixton" I said, "not Trumpton".

Today, when I called in the fact that three empty drug wraps were on the step this morning, the chap who answered the call told me to erect a six foot fence with a padlocked gate. Great.

Exterior lights make no difference. They are there in broad daylight, and also frequent the doorsteps of neighbours with full-on lights. Cutting down the hedges makes no odds. They are to be seen on front steps where there are no hedges or walls.

They are as blatant and cheeky as urban foxes.

What's to be done?
 
That sounds much like the area within the dispersal zone last summer/summer before. I'm on the panel that is monitoring the dispersal zone and will feedback your experience to the police (not that that solves your problems I know).
 
I would suggest writing to your local Councillors, the executive councillor responsible for Community Safety and your local MP. Turning up at surgeries is a little time consuming, but arguably effective.

The problem is that current drug laws are uneforcable, so all the police can do is shunt the problem from one place to another. Only a change in the drug laws can bring about a long term solution.
 
Try installing a sprinkler system that comes on at random times of the day. That may help wash the scum off your front step.
 
If you don't want to stay pissed off try to move somewhere else. Not very sympathetic but perhaps more pratical
 
jonH said:
If you don't want to stay pissed off try to move somewhere else. Not very sympathetic but perhaps more pratical

A. That's not 'practical' for anyone
B. Why should they?
C. The sprinkler system sounds like a good idea though. :)
 
If people are racking up lines around your doorstep, get a can of WD40 and spray it around the area, they'll soon stop.
 
Yeah, that'll be a winner when, late for work, you storm out of the front door .... only to slip and brain yourself on the front doorstep.

No easy answers I'm afraid Story. Sounds like you're doing everything you can. All you can do is stick to your knitting and hope that somone else's doorstep becomes the favoured spot to a certain extent.
 
It's not meant to make them slide away ;)... if they rack up and sniff when WD40 has been sprayed, they'll find their nose pissing with blood pretty quick.
 
If the area outside the front door is fairly well lit you might try a couple of dirty fidos dotted around the place.

They come in different shapes and sizes so as not to give the game away.

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I was going to suggest the real deal but you might end up regreting it if you're a bit forgetful.:eek:


Good luck.:)
 
This sounds so awful. You should document each incident in a diary. Maybe take photos of the aftermath in the morning, and then send copies to the police, councillors and the press.

Im not sure if surreptitious filming would help or escalate the situation- but you could give it a try. Are you and other people in the house safe walking home on your street?
 
madolesance said:
Try installing a sprinkler system that comes on at random times of the day. That may help wash the scum off your front step.

I hardly think calling troubled and desperate people scum is a great solution.
 
This is the sort of thing I hated about living in Brixton. It is the worst place in the country.

I really don't envy you lot living there :(
 
Blagsta said:
I hardly think calling troubled and desperate people scum is a great solution.

They may be troubled and deperate but they can still be considerate.

ergo, if people are pissing in my doorway and leaving their works around - they are scum.
 
story said:
Just last week, they finally got round to sending over a PCSO. They listened politely, gave us a phone number to use, and left. The phone number has proven useless - if they answer at all, it's an ansaphone, and if a real person takes the call, no-one comes round. So we're back to reporting the incidents to the cop shop.

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What's to be done?
It sounds like the number they gave you was for the Neighbourhood Team - a Sergeant, a couple of PCs and some PCSOs responsible for "quality of life" type policing issues in your ward. It is NOT a replacement for 999 or for and non-urgent call requiring an attendance - it is for contacting the team about stuff like local intelligence or updates on some situation they already know about / are (not) dealing with.

The displacement you are suffering is not unusual.

I suggest you recruit as many neighbours as possible to a joint cause and:

1. MAKE the Neighbourhood Policing Team do their job - report things to them, leave messages, e-mail them. Keep copies and if there is no response which at least attempts to address the problems you describe demand to see the Sergeant ... or the Inspector responsible for the team (they usually have an Inspector looking after three or four ward teams) ... or the Chief Superintendent at Brixton.

2. Gather some empirical evidence. Between you monitor the number of uniformed patrols (foot, bike and car) during a week or two (just during the main problem hours) and any activity they do or do not intervene in, then, when the police say "We do patrol" you can provide evidence that they don't, or don't at the relevant times, or enough.

3. Make life as uncomfortable as possible for the drug dealers / users / others. Effectively harrass them as much as you are able so that it is more hassle than it is worth misusing your street.

4. Involve ward councillors. Get them to ensure council back-up is given to any policing activity. Some things (e.g. lighting, street maintenance) is their responsibility anyway. Press for CCTV to be extended / actively monitored.

5. Involve your MP, just informing them at first, keeping them advised of what you are doing so that if nothing happens they can be brought in to pressure police / council as well.

6. Between you, make sure that your interests are represented at every Community Police Consultative Group meeting. Raise the issue until everyone gets tired of hearing about it and doing something about it becomes the easiest option.

7. Involve the local press - they may not be interested in the problem, but they will love "Cops / Council are useless" stories if it becomes necessary to increase the pressure.

Basically, bore them into submission.

Good luck. Don't expect quick results or it to be easy ... but if you persist you will eventually succeed.
 
PacificOcean said:
They may be troubled and deperate but they can still be considerate.

ergo, if people are pissing in my doorway and leaving their works around - they are scum.

I don't think that dehumanising already marginalised people helps any.
 
Blagsta said:
I don't think that dehumanising already marginalised people helps any.

I was once like that, yet I still managed to think of others. I always safely disposed of my works and I would piss up against a tree or bush rather than someones doorway.

Maybe that is just me though.
 
Blagsta said:
So dehumanising people helps...in what way exactly?

How is asking drug users not to piss in people's doorways or not leave the works lying about dehumanising them?

Even drug users can be considerate to others.

I was one. I managed it.
 
Blagsta said:
I hardly think calling troubled and desperate people scum is a great solution.
I don't think I actually called anyone scum, but just suggested that a spinkler might help wash away any detritus that may have accumulated on the door step at night.
 
PacificOcean said:
How is asking drug users not to piss in people's doorways or not leave the works lying about dehumanising them?

Even drug users can be considerate to others.

I was one. I managed it.

You obviously have trouble following your own posts. Let me remind you - "ergo, if people are pissing in my doorway and leaving their works around - they are scum."

How does dehumanising people (i.e. labelling people as "scum"), help anything?
 
madolesance said:
I don't think I actually called anyone scum, but just suggested that a spinkler might help wash away any detritus that may have accumulated on the door step at night.

Yes of course you did.
 
Thanks for all the replies, especially detective boy - some useful stuff there. I was hoping it wouldn't have to be a campaign such as you describe, but heigh-ho, there we go. Boring them into submission it is, then; boring for us, too, though... *yawn*

Sprinkler system: um... okay... well the rain doesn't seem to put them off, so... And it's really not a realistic solution, even if that *is* what you meant. I'd need a power hose to wash away some of the stuff left behind. However, I can see that it would annoy them to be surprised by intermittent sprays of water. If it was me though, I'd find the hose and rip it out. So perhaps it would just invite vandalism...

Scum: No, they're not scum. They are people, just like you and me. They took a wrong turn somewhere, and they are living a difficult life. It pisses me off that their difficulties spill into my life, but there it is. My worries are the least of their concerns.

Moving away: Why the hell should I? I like Brixton, I like living here, and I love my home. Most of these people are, anyway, not local. I'm reliably informed that most of them commute in.

WD40: Well... They're mostly smoking rocks in a pipe. The line-chopping is pretty rare. And I'm not really interested in pissing people off, or causing injury, or revenge.

Knitting: Will that help? I should learn how! :D

Plastic turds: ha hah hah oh my aching sides etc.

Safety: Well, so far nothing bad has happened. A neighbour was threatened with shooting last week though. I think mostly, they are just sorry souls looking for a place to rest and use. This sort of thing never happened when we had a nice cosy crack house at the end of the road, I tell you! I feel safe so far (it takes a fair bit to rattle me), but one of my housemates has become nervous. And I am powerfully aware that even if the users don't pounce on me wielding a knife (their priority is the next hit or score), the dealers are likely to do so.

Consideration: Well this is the thing, isn't it. I reckon that if they didn't leave their detritus around, trash my garden and generally disrespect my space, it would be a non-issue.

Anyway. I will take on board detective-boy's suggestions, and also (if I may) forward more info to memespring. But not just now, since I am (once again :rolleyes: chasing a deadline.

Again, thanks for all the replies.
 
No, they haven't yet... I knew someone would, though.

I hate hate hate those things.

I don't want to live under a Stasi type light, thank you.

My bedroom is over the front door, it would wake me up. We live on a busy street, passers-by would trigger it. Housemates coming home would trigger it. It adds to light pollution.

It's a Daily Mail reader type of response, in my opinion.

Anyway, such a measure does nothing to address the underlying problem.
 
PacificOcean said:
I was once like that, yet I still managed to think of others. I always safely disposed of my works and I would piss up against a tree or bush rather than someones doorway.

Maybe that is just me though.
:) thats me in'all,,
 
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