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Reading Capital politically

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by sihhi, Mar 17, 2004.

  1. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

    Reading capital politically by Harry Cleaver.
    Anyone read it.
    Is it any good.
    Can you make a summary of it? What new things does it say?
     
  2. pilchardman

    pilchardman Dances With Penguins

    Yes, it's good, if turgid.

    What new does it say? Hmmmm. That's another question entirely....
     
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  3. pilchardman

    pilchardman Dances With Penguins

    You can read it online here. Although I prefer an actual book for something that length. (Not that it's a big book).
     
  4. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    The introduction is absolutley priceless as quick guide to non-leninist communism, and the bibliography is very handy as well. The rest of it's well worth the read as well, but i'm not sure how well it will achieve it's aims unless the reader has already read Capital vol1.
     
  5. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    Thought it was very good, but concluded that to really benefit, you need to use it as a kind of 'study guide' to Capital. Which is how I'm using it, slowly :)
     
  6. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

    Yeah quite heavy going but so is Capital vol 1 innit...

    I will try and read and make some intelligent comments :) :) :) :)
     
  7. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i've got "capital" (v1), "reading capital politically" and another book on capital. just a case of getting round to reading the bastards! if other urbanites are reading it/up for reading it, perhaps a thread specifically about it here or in books? it'd be a lot easier to read if could also discuss the bits people have problems with!
     
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  8. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

    I am on money as a form of commodity value in Capital...

    Think I get it so far but is hard going
     
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  9. General Ludd

    General Ludd Banned Banned

    I liked it. The intro is as long as the book though...
     
  10. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    I'd also be interested.

    I did once suggest doing something like this with Ross Ashby's marvellous work Introduction to Cybernetics but oddly enough, wasn't mown down by the rush of enthusiastic people taking me up on it. (The offer remains open though!)

    Perhaps Capital v1 has more mass appeal :)
     
  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    alright. i'm going to start a thread for us "capital-ists" in books. i'll put a link up in a minute, and i hope you lot who're also reading capital join me in trying (though without a great deal of hope :( :() to stop certain witlings from derailing it.
     
  12. General Ludd

    General Ludd Banned Banned

    Come on then! I'm waiting. Where is this thread?
     
  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    :) sorry took a few minutes, meanoldman! go through this link to the thread.
     
  14. The Black Hand

    The Black Hand Unclean

  15. Ace

    Ace New Member

    As guide to the real stuff of revolutions I suppose it has much to offer

    A critique of Althusserianism, I don't know. Althusserianism might seem airy fairy these days but it's important to remember why it came about in the first place - the crudities of a base/superstructure model that saw everything reduced to a very narrow idea of class struggle based purely in the (bourgeois? ) specialisation of economics.

    I think, because we live in times where the Left has diminished in power and influence in the realm of ideas expectations of what it can achieve as a critical tool in culture ( and I mean by Culture the vast ensemble of what Althusser called 'Ideological State Apparatus" ; from TV to Law, from Newspapers to Education ) are similarly timid.

    I remember working with the heavily Althusserian influenced papers of Stuart Hall and the Birmingham Cultural Studies Institute which were really valuable interventions - The Glasgow Media Group - I don't know if they still exist, but they produced clear and lucid analyses of the early Thatcher media haze. The problem was this stuff often became indistinguishable from sociology.
     
  16. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Harry Cleaver finally - 39 years after the publication of Reading Capital Politically - has got a new book coming out in april-may ish this year. It's called
    Rupturing the Dialectic: The Struggle Against Work. I would guess this paper he gave in 2012 with similar title would give you the flavour of its approach.
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2017
  17. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Oh yeah, maybe a passing mod could move to theory please?
     
  18. Nigel

    Nigel For A Degenerates' Workers State

    Link doesn't appear to Work !
     
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Link's 13 years auld so no surprise
     
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  20. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

    ‘Who will keep the server farms running after the Revolution, eh?’
     
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  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Libcom have been volunteered for that role
     
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  22. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

    EnRAIDer.net :D
     
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  23. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    I somehow clearly remember this thread from 2004 :hmm:
     
  24. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Don't think ACE had actually read the book at time of reply.
     
  25. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Now published. I expect AK UK and the like will have hard copies quite soon.
     
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  26. JasonFelcham

    JasonFelcham Banned Banned

    hi butchersapron

    are you comfortable with getting a woman to sponsor you and be your mum even though you don't even create anything?
     
  27. Athos

    Athos Well-Known Member

    Isn't everyone's mum a woman?
     
  28. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

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  29. malatesta32

    malatesta32 Not Serb. No, Really!

  30. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

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