Re-Dating the Sphinx of Egypt

[phildwyer]

And the evolution of human ideas happens at a far greater rate than biological evolution, as the development of human thinking in the 17th-20th centuries shows - we went from being little more than a post-Greek civilisation to our current world view in less than 1,000 years, and science or all types has been revolutionised at least twice in 100 years.

Surely you're not going to defend the absurd, Dawkinsite proposition that ideas "evolve" in analogous fashion to species?

 

[kyser_soze]

Well you can see it happening on this very board phil - indeed, on this very thread where input from yourself and Idris helped me evolve my original position to the one I ended on.

And I'll happily defend the idea that ideas evolve once they've been thought of by someone - a classic religious example is that of Xtianity adopting itself to the variety of winter solstice festivals in pagan Europe in order to propagate. Adapting to fit a hostile environment and aid it's survival.

It's your notion that ideas just spring from nowhere that's funny - that there is an 'ideas dimension' that some extra-human intelligence drip-feeds advice through to humanity, or that all the ideas of human society were somehow just simply waiting to be 'discovered' but were there all along.

 

[phildwyer]

Well you can see it happening on this very board phil - indeed, on this very thread where input from yourself and Idris helped me evolve my original position to the one I ended on.

And I'll happily defend the idea that ideas evolve once they've been thought of by someone - a classic religious example is that of Xtianity adopting itself to the variety of winter solstice festivals in pagan Europe in order to propagate. Adapting to fit a hostile environment and aid it's survival.

That's nothing at all like Darwinian evolution. Its actually a rational process, known as the dialectic. In the example you give, paganism (thesis) encounters monotheism (antithesis) and the result is an "aufhebung" into syncreticism (synthesis). Although it is of course highly debateable whether the historical changes in human ideas represent progress or regression.

 

[kyser_soze]

And what do you think dialectic is phil? It's intellectual evolution - how something changes in response to an alteration in the environment it's in, or in the case of ideas, what is produced when you set one idea against another.

It's the same idea. Change and adapt in response to changing input. Life is rooted in evolution; homo sapiens is a product of it and it's like a fractal - humans create the intellectual environment ideas exist in, and humans alter than environment and ideas change and adapt or die. The basic premise of communism and anarchism - the ideas of respect, cooperation, not being greedy - appear in some form in just about every culture there is, but the way in which it manifests intellectually alters and adapts as society alters and adapts around it. It's a recursive system, change begets change begets change, with each element pushing against the other.

The only difference between ideas and biology is that ideas, as a human creation, can have directional control applied to them which is where doctrines, ideologies and other 'fixed' ideas come from but as we all know, other people have other ideas about these things - look at the diversity of Xtian belief - from dictatorial Roman Catholicism to non-conformists who argue that each 'day' in genesis is in fact a geological epoch.

Evolution is an unbelievably beautiful thing - wasteful, cruel and blind in many ways, but it works.

 

[Balbi]

None. Which proves that the emergence of civilization was not caused by "environmental conditions." This fact is of course another crushing blow to Darwinism: it is utterly unable to account for the emergence of civilization. Hence the postulation by Darwinists of pre-ice age civilizations: a postulation for which there is *no* evidence whatsoever.

The wood splits both ways though phil. The fossil record for pretty much everything ever is fucking apalling when you consider the numbers we're lookign at. Four or five T-Rex's from a species that mullered the planet for a hundred million years or so - fuck all from the human fossil record considering how much interest is in this region of how we got here. There's a ton of stuff that we can't find, or haven't yet. Not to mention continental drift and our planets bad habit of getting hit by asteroids, chucking up its guts and fucking up it's magnetic fields every now and then. Give it a hundred million years and I would say the only things left of humanity will be some footprints and a plaque and a few bits of tech floating about outside the solar system.

It's a fragile ball.

 

[Kilik]

The underground chambers that were discovered are very interesting

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

The underground chambers that were discovered are very interesting

Oh please, do tell.

 

[Balbi]

Early photos from a droid sent in revealed the following.

 

[kyser_soze]

The underground chambers that were discovered are very interesting

Did they lead to a place called Shambala under the Himalayas, where some mnystic monks lived in a cave at the centre of the world?

 

[Kilik]

Well, the truth is probably somewhat like that, but not quite exactly

 

[kyser_soze]

So Kilik can we get this out of the way quickly

Which conspiracy theories do you subscribe to? Illuminati, Bilderberg, Giant Lizards, International Jewish Banking Conspiracy, J Edgar Hoover assasinating almost all of the main 'faces' of the 1960s, 9/11 and 7/7 both being black ops?

Just so we know like.

 

[Idris2002]

So Kilik can we get this out of the way quickly

Which conspiracy theories do you subscribe to? Illuminati, Bilderberg, Giant Lizards, International Jewish Banking Conspiracy, J Edgar Hoover assasinating almost all of the main 'faces' of the 1960s, 9/11 and 7/7 both being black ops?

Just so we know like.

Why do the Dublin/Monaghan bombings of 1974 never get on these lists? Is it because those actually *were* the work of a conspiracy?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Well, the truth is probably somewhat like that, but not quite exactly

Sounds utterly fascinating.

Please, tell us more.