Rave Dissertation!!!

[spikey_r]

have a gander at this. that is part of the problem up here (n/e england). it is an article about an incident that took place last month when an all-nighter kicked out and the ensuing grief that came from it.
the rave scene is huge up here! (albeit with kids now though)

there are about 5-6 'raves' on a month. part of the what's killing it off are the promoters diluting the whole thing by saturating the place with events because of the money to be made from them (there are 2 under 18 events a month ffs!), another 'killer' is the blinkered music policy they have (which the 'ravers' follow blindly). the main type of music that is on the go at the minute is makina and it's been doing the rounds for about 4-5 years.
and they are still getting away with playing it!

how big is the 'scene'? this site is about the biggest on the go, although there are about 3 others

 

[DeadManWalking]

It's not the most original idea for a dissertation, I know of numerous people who have done the same topic thinking it was a radical idea, I'm sure the lecturers must think "Oh no, not another person who thinks taking a few drugs at the weekend constitutes a revolution" when the truth is they were probably doing the same thing not so long ago and the world still hasn't changed.

 

[usctrojans]

Don't you know? What have you been doing for the last 3 years????

Lazy bloody students.

I do actually know, but according to my tutor i need to submit these question to a public audience like you , to see what people think about this matter and at the end withall the information gathered do a datareport. its just a piece of paper that needsto be done. thats all.

 

[kakuma]

can you put my websites on it????

 

[usctrojans]

tbh it's dead cheeky turning up on an online community out of the blue and saying "oooh no, oooh god, look I know I haven't had anything to do with any of you guys before, but I haven't done my essay and sir's going to be really really cross with me, so can I pump you for your insights and experiences anyway" when you haven't made any effort whatsoever to actually engage with the aforementioned community. In case you hadn't realised already, like.

sorry. i didnt mean to come out of the blue and ask random people to write my essay. im writing my essay and i actually have already. what i need and would like to do now is to see what the public opinion is about this matter, in order to have different kind of views.
you want an introduction, ok. i started off in new york city, brooklyn parking lots, with frankie bones.bought records at groove from heather heart, at grand blvd in detroit , if u know what it is, and so on.ive seen derrick may playing in warehouses in detroit outskirts and. ive done all the raving stuff you all have and i feel that everything started to go down hill once it got exported to the uk, where it became a massculture tabloids headlier before returning to america in the late 90's .
Anyway... thanx for help.

 

[usctrojans]

2 things

1) if u don't know, get to know
and
2) we don't want or need the publicity


why did u choose to do a diss on something you don't know enough about

sure i dont want to make any publicity. im not studying marketing. i just would like to know what is does the public eye think about this.
when u choose a topic you dont know much about, that is the challenge, to reasearch and gather all the information you can to , like someone else said, learn something!

 

[usctrojans]

I think that book "Altered State" sums up quite a lot of stuff fairly well.

The whole "rave" and ecstasy culture thingie is so big, and so many people's experiences of it start from so many different places, that it's hard to come up with a neat summary like, "this happened, then this, which led to this, etc".

Giles..

thank you. ive read the book and others and yeah, its got a lot of info.

 

[usctrojans]

I read a fantastic and concise essay about the wholse scene from the American disco perspective, gay clubs, the shadow of AIDS and how the music was concieved, DJ culture stemming from hip hop and disco clubs, then how we in the UK in certain clubs made it all psychedelic and exported it back to the USA...

...but I'm fucked if I'm going to tell some lazy student about where I read it all!



Sorry!

that s ok. thanx anyway. ive got already plenty of papers, feel the noise -techno kids by villag voice, living the dream, from the manchaster institute for popular culture, pursuit of xtc from SU, music grooves by Uochicago and many others

 

[usctrojans]

Actually it's not bollocks - but the first time acid really hit here was when the middle classes were in Ibiza and brought the sound back to Spectrum and Shoom clubs in London, and the Hacienda had a good link with Arthur Baker.

The clubs in Detroit and NYC playing house were the gay clubs, vocalists like Sylvester and the like going into a darker mode with Moroder style synths as far back as '83.

i knew that tahnx

 

[usctrojans]

You seem fucked if its got to be in in 2 weeks and you're only at the stage of posing vague questions to a bunch of randoms on an internet forum.

Good luck, sound like your going to need it.

PS - people who call it 'rave music' are usually people who have very little interest in music and can often be found drinking ovaltine and listening to their Coldplay albums IMVHO

im done with my work. i just wanted to gather some random opinion from the public, to find out people's view about this subject. something to put in in the appendix.
i didnt say rave music, especially cos i know very well the distinctions. Im not from the uk, but i used to buy records on Grand Ave. 10 years ago, been to desert rave parties in the west coast and brooklyn parking lot parties. you stick to your drugs. i know what im doing.

 

[usctrojans]

tbh it's dead cheeky turning up on an online community out of the blue and saying "oooh no, oooh god, look I know I haven't had anything to do with any of you guys before, but I haven't done my essay and sir's going to be really really cross with me, so can I pump you for your insights and experiences anyway" when you haven't made any effort whatsoever to actually engage with the aforementioned community. In case you hadn't realised already, like.

i didnt say any ooooh noo, oooh goood

 

[ddraig]

i think we may have slight wires crossed here

are you talking about the dance music scene or the rave scence?

and are you kinda saying that the uk damaged a scence that emerged from the US?

and do you agree that it only really took off in the uk and then partially exported to the US to show you how to do it propa

we don't have national guard at our raves (yet)

 

[usctrojans]

Fecking stundent tossers.

If you're bolloxed for the deadline and just going to sap the thoughts of other people for it you can do no wrong looking at Lastnight A DJ Saved My Life, Energy Flash and Altered States to get some perspective on the whole thing. You could do with looking at the drinks industry in the UK as well. Plus there should be fecking tonnes of stuff on this site about the CJA.

ive done these books already and the drinkind industry because seeing that alchool dimishes the effects of mdma, ravers didnt drink so, the profits dropped and it was thought that brewery business was backing up the british government's anti rave legislation.

 

[usctrojans]

It's not the most original idea for a dissertation, I know of numerous people who have done the same topic thinking it was a radical idea, I'm sure the lecturers must think "Oh no, not another person who thinks taking a few drugs at the weekend constitutes a revolution" when the truth is they were probably doing the same thing not so long ago and the world still hasn't changed.

i cant be as original as you

 

[DaveCinzano]

who is this plum? has to be a wind-up

 

[ddraig]

i cant be as original as you

lets not get narky now
i know what he means, my dissertation was something like 'ecstasy and the perceived effects on its subcultures' so ner.

people are actually helping you out and from your original post it looked like you didn't know much and were just starting it.

 

[Andy the Don]

USCtroja at Central St.Martins college or should that be University of Southern California Trojans, get hold of a book called The Summer of 1988 by ..??? (google it or even try going all oldskool & going to a library), by the chap who started Genesis.

 

[Giles]

have a gander at this. that is part of the problem up here (n/e england). it is an article about an incident that took place last month when an all-nighter kicked out and the ensuing grief that came from it.
the rave scene is huge up here! (albeit with kids now though)

there are about 5-6 'raves' on a month. part of the what's killing it off are the promoters diluting the whole thing by saturating the place with events because of the money to be made from them (there are 2 under 18 events a month ffs!), another 'killer' is the blinkered music policy they have (which the 'ravers' follow blindly). the main type of music that is on the go at the minute is makina and it's been doing the rounds for about 4-5 years.
and they are still getting away with playing it!

how big is the 'scene'? this site is about the biggest on the go, although there are about 3 others

I'm amazed this "New Monkey" club has stayed open this long. It sounds a very blatant magnet for massive drug use.

Giles..

 

[usctrojans]

USCtroja at Central St.Martins college or should that be University of Southern California Trojans, get hold of a book called The Summer of 1988 by ..??? (google it or even try going all oldskool & going to a library), by the chap who started Genesis.

USC was my first university. now, im studying here in the uk.
thanx for the info.
is it the book with the waterfall on the cover, honeymoon adventure?

 

[kakuma]

I'm amazed this "New Monkey" club has stayed open this long. It sounds a very blatant magnet for massive drug use.

Giles..

new monkey is run by rezzurection who are fucking massive

and it keeps loads of fucked up young kids on cheap speed in one place, theyd be taking it somewhere else anyways, so the police probably like it

 

[usctrojans]

lets not get narky now
i know what he means, my dissertation was something like 'ecstasy and the perceived effects on its subcultures' so ner.

people are actually helping you out and from your original post it looked like you didn't know much and were just starting it.

Yes, actually thank you all, cos with all your responses i then wrote one more chapter.

one more thing,,,currently am i seeing a sort of EU-import Raves on UK territory? The parties ive been too in the past 2 years are fully attended by spanish, portuguese, italians and polish and so on (many i met on K and cheap tina), maybe thats why makina is the main sound played at parties?. i hardly came accross a true brit person. or maybe these are the only ones ive been too.

 

[ddraig]

yes there are a lot of euro ravers inthe uk. particularly london etc who follow hdfuk and malfs about.
but then there are still a few uk crews in europe.
did a party with one crew in portugal a couple of years ago who have some crew in uk and some crew over there, utilising local dj's. it was a great night/day in the hills above lisbon.

maybe this is because they are seeking to experience the source of it, or have seen the big decent uk crews at the euro teks and hitch a ride back
dunno, anyone?

this makina lark seems a bit toss, am i wrong? can't see it being played at a big uk 'rave' unless it's an euro dj someone care to correct and point me to an audio sample of it?
ta

 

[free spirit]

this makina lark seems a bit toss

is makina the proper name for 'spanish techno' aka 'charva hardcore' then?

I had a job teaching kids to dj 20 hours a week listening to this shite a few years ago, could only stick it for 3 months before it drove me absolutely loopy.

usctrojans - I think it would have helped if you'd been a bit clearer as to whether you were on about the UK rave scene, dance music in general, free parties in general, rave music in general etc. etc.

Couple of questions for you...

have you included anything about Exodus in there?

have you ever been involved in throwing raves yourself?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Can anyone give me an example of 'makina' then?

I've never heard of it.

 

[free spirit]

I've never heard it.

the longer it stays that way the better - trust me on this

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

the longer it stays that way the better - trust me on this

That bad is it?

Still, I always like a new opportunity to act like a sneering elitist so I'd quite like to hear some.

 

[spikey_r]

That bad is it?

Still, I always like a new opportunity to act like a sneering elitist so I'd quite like to hear some.

there is a bucketful of makina stuff here

the new monkey is the main page for it.

have a google for dj skudero, xavi metralla, (dj's who do the makina thing) and pont aeri (big club in barcelona, famous for the makina music policy )

 

[zenie]

Sorry CBA to read the reast of what he's written has he explained what it has to do with CSM school (or is it college now I forget) of Art and Design yet?

I for one am puzzled???