Rangers in the English league

[TrippyLondoner]

Realistically do you not think Celtic and Rangers would survive in the Prem?

I do, they wouldn't be in the top 4 but they's certainly survive for a few years, then who knows?

I think they would probably at best be mid table(if they're lucky), Celtic could perhaps get into the UEFA cup one year, not that it would matter to them, they would just want the money from our league. I hope it never happens, though.

 

[Silva]

As far as European competitions go, the Old Firm seem pretty much at the same level as the English teams that are qualified for the UEFA Cup. However, they're different beasts, and what makes a good team in Europe might not be enough to league play. For instance, in Europe, Celtic's abysmal away record is compensated by their home ground results, and that still makes them a hard team to play against in knockout competitions, but in league play losing or drawing all away matches is the recipe for a bottom feeder, not a championship contender.

For all that matters, I think you are over-evaluating the average level of the Premiership. While the top 4 teams might well be on the top 5 sides in Europe, the UEFA spot sides are distinctively average when compared to Spain, Germany, or even Italy, and under that, the less said the better. Hell, Sporting took down Boro and Newcastle in 2005... They were average teams, only covered with a lot of glitter from being in the same league and Arsenal / Chelsea / Liverpool / ManUtd.

This reminds me of those games where even average players in real life are superstars if they are in the Premier League, and the only good players are on Spain or England - for instance, half the Porto 02-04 team was worth peanuts on most games, but they magically improved once they arrived on Chelsea or Barcelona

 

[kindofblue]

Not me. If they *have* to be allowed in, I'd have fewer objections if they start at the bottom and work their way up like every single other club has to. But if the aim is for them to be parachuted in and break up the pyramid system just so they can get their snouts in the trough, then f*ck off, frankly.

 

[steveo87]

Surely it mean a major restructuring anyway? In terms of numbers in each league table?

I'd hat to be some one like burnley who might go into the playoffs, win, only to be told that they're not going to be promoted because some mpooney grabbers north of the border have arrived.

Then i guess it would be an even more kick in the teeth if someone like histon does a burnley (or other playoff t4eam) only to be told you can't go u because we've got to make the numbers in the premiership.....



....hopefully this will fuck off and die, along with the 39th game shite

 

[YouSir]

This has been discussed for years and years and it's never been a good idea, Premiership doesn't need them, they wouldn't do much their except, perhaps, be Scottish versions of Newcastle/Tottenham and no one would really care. If they want to start at the very bottom though then let them.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

And why should they be allowed straight into the top flight (presumably at the expense of two other unfortunates)?

They should be made to start in league two and work their way up.

 

[Fedayn]

And why should they be allowed straight into the top flight (presumably at the expense of two other unfortunates)?

Pssst, pssst, it's called money.

 

[kabbes]

They can combine it with the 39th game idea. Everybody has to play one of Rangers or Celtic once.

 

[Ich bin ein Mod]

I used to want to see Celtic in the Prem. When I was younger, and didn't know any better. Not because I don't think we'd be pushing for Euro spots, because I think we could. But I would much rather see a more challenging SPL instead, as we are a Scottish club and should play in Scotland. Simple as that.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Why is it that the competition is so poor? Do clubs like Hibs and Hearts have much of a support? Is there an untapped market somewhere that these sorts of clubs aren't taking advantage of crowd-wise?

 

[tbaldwin]

Why is it that the competition is so poor? Do clubs like Hibs and Hearts have much of a support? Is there an untapped market somewhere that these sorts of clubs aren't taking advantage of crowd-wise?

Edinburgh derbies used to attract crowds of 50,000. And it is not only Hibs and Hearts that used to get good crowds clubs like Dundee and Third Lanark also used to get gates over 30,000.
The influence and control of the Old Firm has got worse and worse over the years. And most of the other bigger clubs seem to have effectivelly submitted to anything they want.
Ultimately this probably hasnt even been good for Celtic and Rangers.