Random stabbing in Clapham

[sayjann3]

Sayjann3 is almost illiterate.

Ern was far from illiterate; he was rather good at writing I always thought. Its a dumbed down Ern if it is Ern.

I left school at 15 unable to read or write at all, i am largely self taught mate as mentioned.

SJ

 

[Streathamite]

Well I hope I am proved wrong. We dont want a city of very very rich and very poor. Thats what is happening in London. The middle-classes are moving out.

I hope we wont end with a Tale of Two Cities. I drive round London everyday as a cab driver. It is changing, the inner city so to speak has all been gentrified, the ring outside that is becoming a place where you dont go out at night and beyond that you are in to the shires.

SJ

how on earth do you think capitalism works? it's inevitable this 'two cities' effect

 

[story]

Randon Stabbing

My friend left work around 7pm on Sydenham High Street. He was walking along the road and felt someone slap him on the back whilst running past. Thinking it was a joke of kinds he continued walking up the hill. It was only when he went to use the phone box that he realised he had a knife sticking out of his back. The police said it was to do with gang initiation.

That was 1986.

S'funny you say that...

More info from my pal today - he said the kids were about 13, 14 years old, and that he got the impression that it was a kind of initiation thing. They were gee-ing up the one that did it, revving up the tension and energy amongst themselves.









S'alright aurora green, I assumed it was that.

 

[Blagsta]

I will not leave unless I am chucked off. I have not done any thing wrong to break the rules of the board I have looked. Blagsta, people have different views to other people.

I am not in the BNP, I am not a member of any political party.

Look I am a working class English guy who was born and raised in London. I dont see why I should be hounded off the Urban75 board.

Are you from London Blagsta?

Do you look down on the English working class?

You and some of the other posters look down on me because I am a cab driver, despite the fact it took me 6 year to get my bill, I would never swear or trade personal insults to someone over a board like this, yet you do and some of the other posters.

Your snobs mate.

SJ

fuck off you racist piece of shit

 

[sayjann3]

fuck off you racist piece of shit

No.

Another days work over for me, time to look the boards over before I proceed to the Prince of Tek for a pint.


SJ

 

[editor]

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I have never blamed Londons crime problem on Africans, I have blamed a good deal of London crime on Jamaicans or those of Jamaican parentage.

You say a "good deal", so what are you talking about? 50% of all London crime? 60%?

Oh, and be sure to present some figures to back up your assertions. Thanks.

 

[sayjann3]

You say a "good deal", so what are you talking about? 50% of all London crime? 60%?

Oh, and be sure to present some figures to back up your assertions. Thanks.

I dont hold statistics to hand I am afraid. My views are based on my observations of living and working in this city for more than 30 years.

I know that operation Trident is the second biggest body of detectives in the Met and as you know they tackle black on black crime.

I know two detectives in that directorate, one I have known 20 years, he has told me that nearly all the gunmen he deals with are Jamaican or British born of Jamaican parents..

He is not a racist person as some on here will be quick to paint him as, I am not either but I do have opinions which are based on 30 or so years of social interaction.

SJ

 

[Blagsta]

So its based on your own prejudices then.

 

[sayjann3]

So its based on your own prejudices then.

Did the Metropolitan police set up Operation Trident out of prejudice?

I dont know what to say to you Blagsta, its like your trying to trick me in to saying something that will get me banned. I was answering the editors question as honestly and fairly as I could to explain my comments.

Surely I cant be the only person on this board to see a problem in some areas of London with Jamaican crime.

What does Detective Boy think? He must have a view.


SJ

 

[trashpony]

I dont hold statistics to hand I am afraid. My views are based on my observations of living and working in this city for more than 30 years.

My views and observations are based on living and working in this city for 25 years. And amazingly, they're totally different to yours.

What does that mean d'ya think?

 

[sayjann3]

My views and observations are based on living and working in this city for 25 years. And amazingly, they're totally different to yours.

What does that mean d'ya think?

OK trashpony I respect your view. Please answer honestly, am I totally wrong with my view on Jamaican crime in parts of London?

SJ

 

[dash]

I have lived in London for over 30 out of my 40-odd years and these are my impressions on the ethnic side of the division of criminal labour.

English arseholes: Greater incidence of alcohol-related violence, nonce activities.

Caribbean arseholes: Greater incidence of muggings, shootings.

The two groups about evens for vandalism, drug dealing (though maybe some differences in the kinds of drugs being dealt and how they're dealt). Not sure about burglary, esp when broken down into components of domestic and commercial premises.

Sundry specialisms for the ne'er-do-wells of other ethnic groups: honour killings, extortion rackets, various scams etc.

I'd like to test these impressions against proper stats but I've not found them.

 

[Blagsta]

Did the Metropolitan police set up Operation Trident out of prejudice?

I dont know what to say to you Blagsta, its like your trying to trick me in to saying something that will get me banned. I was answering the editors question as honestly and fairly as I could to explain my comments.

Surely I cant be the only person on this board to see a problem in some areas of London with Jamaican crime.

What does Detective Boy think? He must have a view.


SJ

You claimed that a good deal (in other words the majority) of London crime is committed by Jamaicans. You have provided no evidence of this, merely provided some (possibly fictional) hearsay about operation Trident (which last time I looked did not deal with the majority of London crime.

btw, I don't need to trick you into saying anything - you're coming out with racist shit all by yourself.

 

[detective-boy]

I know that operation Trident is the second biggest body of detectives in the Met and as you know they tackle black on black crime.

I know two detectives in that directorate, one I have known 20 years, he has told me that nearly all the gunmen he deals with are Jamaican or British born of Jamaican parents..

1. You know fuck all then. Cos it isn't - by a million fucking miles

2. And, well, it would be wouldn't it ... cos the unit he's on deals with, er, black-on-black crime. Be pretty fucking surprising if he dealt with any eskimos wouldn't it?

 

[detective-boy]

Did the Metropolitan police set up Operation Trident out of prejudice?

No. It set it up because there were a relatively small number of very violent criminals "hiding" amongst the black community and, primarily, victimising members of the community and that community (after years of asking) eventually persuaded the police that they needed a dedicated unit to address the problem.

 

[sayjann3]

1. You know fuck all then. Cos it isn't - by a million fucking miles

2. And, well, it would be wouldn't it ... cos the unit he's on deals with, er, black-on-black crime. Be pretty fucking surprising if he dealt with any eskimos wouldn't it?

You didnt answer my question, the crime he deals with is mainly Jamaican crime, its not African or Trindad people etc etc...

He said most of the people he deals with during his duties in Trident are Jamaican.

SJ

 

[sayjann3]

No. It set it up because there were a relatively small number of very violent criminals "hiding" amongst the black community and, primarily, victimising members of the community and that community (after years of asking) eventually persuaded the police that they needed a dedicated unit to address the problem.

Are those criminals Jamaican though, answer the question man.

Its not chaps from Milawi or the PDRC that you are arresting is it.

SJ

 

[sayjann3]

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[sayjann3]

You claimed that a good deal (in other words the majority) of London crime is committed by Jamaicans. You have provided no evidence of this, merely provided some (possibly fictional) hearsay about operation Trident (which last time I looked did not deal with the majority of London crime.

btw, I don't need to trick you into saying anything - you're coming out with racist shit all by yourself.

Blagsta, there is no operation Bagette to target French criminals, or operation Sushi to target the Japanese gangsters.

There is no operation as there is no problem from those guys.

There is however such a problem that there needs to be an Operation Trident,

I personally think operation Trident is offensive to the vast majority of black folk. it should be called operation Spanish Town.

Why wont you even accept there is the slightest problem, its just crazy.

Even Detctive boy, he doesnt seem like a normal detective, there is something fishy there. He seems more like management or is bull shitting.

SJ

 

[Blagsta]

You wrote that a good deal of London crime is commited by Jamaicans.

Time to put up or shut up.

 

[trashpony]

I know that operation Trident is the second biggest body of detectives in the Met and as you know they tackle black on black crime.

1. You know fuck all then. Cos it isn't - by a million fucking miles

Did you miss this bit then?

 

[sayjann3]

You wrote that a good deal of London crime is commited by Jamaicans.

Time to put up or shut up.

I am going to shut up now, I dont want to be portrayed as some rabid David Copeland type person I am not. I made some comments earlier which I was challenged on and in my eyes trying fairly to explain.


I dont judge people on colour, not at all. I will speak up if I feel I am right. In some repects your the same, you speak up if you are angry.

I dont want to discuss Jamaicans again or anything to do with race issues, it makes me so angry like a dog with a bone.

I really dont mean any offence.

SJ

 

[Blagsta]

fuck off

 

[Streathamite]

You didnt answer my question, the crime he deals with is mainly Jamaican crime, its not African or Trindad people etc etc...

He said most of the people he deals with during his duties in Trident are Jamaican.

SJ

if yer mate is a white copper, my experience is that he would neither be able to differentiate between one caribbean country and another, or even regard it as important

 

[flameacademy]

Yawn

fuck off, there's a good chap

fuck off you racist piece of shit

fuck off

Your vocabulary hasn't improved much since the last time I scanned these boards....cue predictable response

 

[sayjann3]

if yer mate is a white copper, my experience is that he would neither be able to differentiate between one caribbean country and another, or even regard it as important

I am bowing out of this debate mate for the time being if not forever, appreciate the heads up though.
SJ

 

[sayjann3]

fuck off

I am leaving this thread for the forseeable future Blagsta, you remind me of T-Bag from Prison Break.

I wont be leaving these boards voluntarily. I believe there is a place for me here, I enjoy posting here and I have been respectful.

SJ

 

[Blagsta]

Your vocabulary hasn't improved much since the last time I scanned these boards....cue predictable response

What other vocabulary does one need when dealing with people like sayjann?

 

[aurora green]

... I have been respectful.

Not to the Jamaican community, you haven't.

 

[Streathamite]

Your vocabulary hasn't improved much since the last time I scanned these boards....cue predictable response

it's good enough to attract you straight to it, or are we being a tad obsessive