Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by ed marimba, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. ed marimba

    ed marimba Well-Known Member

    A while ago you all put me off Southend as a place to live. Anyone got any idease about Ramsgate ? It looks quite cheap for South East and tunnel makes it handy for Europe, hi speed rail gets to London quick.I quite like the stretch of coast to its west, the windswept Romney and Dungeness. So what about it ? Any good ?Or do all the locals immediarely stop talking and stare every time you enter a building, even your own house ?
  2. TikkiB

    TikkiB Well-Known Member

    I really like it - have got a few friends there so have spent quite a lot of time there over the years. More listed buildings than Brighton - much of the town is dilapidated and deprived. Lots of artists.

    Dungeness is the other end of the county so not nearby.
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  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    I thought this would be some sheep-based scandal
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    The tunnel won't be so handy when it's collapsed in two years time
  5. ed marimba

    ed marimba Well-Known Member

    That sounds very intersting, a good place for artists but doesn't the deprivation lead to things like gang culture ?
    Dungeness is a place to visit sometimes and see a unique landsacape, the grim power station overlooking the astonishing decision to build little cottages on an apparent wasrteland with a permanent force 9 gale. And even more astonishing for that to look like a good decision..
    But not a visit for every day so it doesn't need to be round the corner.
    But yeah, I do art, music, video, more stuff than you could shake a stick at so definitely interesting.
  6. TikkiB

    TikkiB Well-Known Member

    Not quite sure what you mean by 'gang culture' and am even less sure about the causal link between that and deprivation - not being a much of a sociologist and all...

    It is a town with a lot of different types of people living in it. It has a waitrose but it also has a street market selling cheap meat. It has Georgian townhouses, some of which are dilapidated, and some of which are not. It has useful shops selling hardware and lightbulbs, and it has bijou shops selling expensive fripperies. It has greasy spoons and it has cafes with avocado sourdough toast. It has a yacht club and it has a small industrial port. It has pubs I cross the road to avoid when I am walking alone, and pubs I would happily sit in on my own.

    It's not the Thanet Bronx as far as I am aware.
  7. pseudonarcissus

    pseudonarcissus fluttering and dancing

    and it has a home for smack boys....I was never quite sure what they were, and if i'd recognise one in the street
  8. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    What do people make of Folkestone? I expect its simliar to Ramsgate....but mellower
    Went for a nice undercliff walk there a couple of years back...
  9. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Just had a weekend in Ramsgate and want to move there immediately. Love the harbour and architecture, got a nice feel to it.
    Margate seems to be getting all the hype but it doesn't really appeal at all.
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  10. Andrew Field

    Andrew Field New Member

    I grew up there and couldn't wait to get out at 19. Ended up in London where I've been for 10 years.

    I would never have believed that London folk want to move there but as you get older you realise that your impression of places as a kid is moronic. Because all you want to do is get hammered.

    Going back there now I see I was lucky and the quality of life is good. Nice architecture and culture. The schools are good too. Sounds like it's going from strength to strength as well.
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  11. hash tag

    hash tag never too old

    How does affordable or very up and coming sound?
    Depends what you are looking for, but I imagine an OK place to live, but feel that Broadstairs is prettier.
  12. ffsear

    ffsear Well-Known Member

    I would move to Ramsgate in a heartbeat if they had a decent train service into London. Lovely place. You''l get a 5 bed house for the same price as a 1 bed flat in Brixton.
  13. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    It’s an hour and 10 minutes to London. Not bad really. And you always get a seat.

    We moved to Broadstairs from Kilburn 7 years ago. Not regretted it. It’s a great place to raise kids. Ramsgate is much nicer than Margate
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  14. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Yep, I'm looking at all options, the train is quite doable. My current commute is 50 minutes from south London, standing only and I have armpits stuck in my face all the way. I'd rather stop working up here too though.

    Had a look round Broadstairs on Sunday and breakfast in a posh pub by Botany Bay, gorgeous. Broadstairs might be a bit tame for us to live in, but lovely for walks and chilling. Ramsgate felt right.

    Drove through Margate and hated the look and feel of it, refused to stop. Mrs R, who's from down that way, said we didn't see Cliftonville which is where the nice architecture is, but what I saw was a sprawling, grim urban landscape in serious decline. I'm sure where the artists have moved in it's quite cool, but the town has a long way to go to get out of the doldrums. Ramsgate appears never to have quite plumbed such depths, it retains some real charm.
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  15. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Just geographically, Ramsgate is nicer, all huddled around its South-Facing harbour. Margate is flat, windswept and North facing.
  16. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Definitely. The only thing Margate has in its favour on that score is stunning sunsets, which Ramsgate lacks.
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  17. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Mrs R wants to know if you've found or have used any online resources and/or forums she can join to find out about what's going on in the local communities, schools etc?
  18. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    There’s a couple of FB forums - Thanet chat and Love Ramsgate that I’m on. If she posts on one of those people will advise :)

    Popular bits of Ramsgate with DFLs are around Ellington Park, Pegwell, and East and West Cliffs. The only school I know about is new Ramsgate Free School which is a specialist arts primary. It’s in Newington which is horrible but my mate says the school is great and as it’s brand new it’s undersubscribed. Obviously there’s the grimness of the 11+ system here so bear that in mind.

    Beyond the RFS I don’t know much about primaries in Ramsgate but people are very vocal about schools here

    ETA Cliftonville is grim now. It’s a real shame but it’s all boarding houses, drugs and sadness
  19. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Thanks, that fits with what we've seen and heard. We liked Ellington Park all the way down to Spencer Square & Liverpool Lawn, and West Cliff. Didn't think so much of East Cliff, and Pegwell might be a bit far out for Mrs R.

    She's from Canterbury, we're moving partly so that she's back near family and friends, so I'd be the only DFL, and I'm from Sussex, but I imagine we fit that bill :D. She's heard that the schools are good, but those forums should get some more detailed info on their communities etc. My youngest is a bit of an artist, so we'll check Ramsgate Free School, thanks. My nephews have been through the 11+ there over the last couple of years, they've not found it a great experience.

    Yep, heard Cliftonville was so cheap in the last 15 years that Kent council and NHS bought up lots of big old houses to house people in and have kind of centralised lots of 'issues' in one area. There's a rumour they've housed all their sex offenders there too, which is a bit counter productive as they have also housed most of their looked after children there. Seems a bit short sighted to dump every perceived problem in one area and hope for the best. I'm only going on what I've heard, but it sounds like it's almost ghetto-isation, can't really see how the people there can thrive or the area ever improve. You'd have thought they'd have policies in place to prevent it, but maybe they just didn't have the funds to do anything else with housing prices in the south-east being so high :(. Fucking Tories again. I wonder what all the DFL media types buying up property there think of it when they get there.
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  20. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    Yeah I think that's the nicest part of Ramsgate - worth also looking at St Lawrence in Ramsgate (between the High St and Grange Road and either side of London Road) but that might be a bit close to Pegwell (I was thinking more of the bit around the hotel rather than over by the nature reserve.

    Lots of London boroughs also send their hard to house people to Cliftonville. There are boroughs buying up huge tracts of housing down here because they have more money than local councils and can outbid them. There's an ex MOD development near Canterbury which has been bought up by Redbridge Council and they've just shipped a load of people down here - so miles from their friends, families and networks. And the unemployment and benefits and associated services are no longer the problem of the London boroughs. It's social cleansing and it's total ghetto-isation.

    I have heard of people buying up huge 7 bedroom houses in Cliftonville, greedy with the prospect of having so much space for the cost of a two bed flat in London. But it's the only place where I've seen used needles on the ground in the playgrounds and working girls off their tits fighting on the street.
  21. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Thanks, I had a walk around those areas on Saturday, getting a good feel for it :thumbs:

    Blimey, glad my first impression of Margate put me off. I don't see how the council are going to do anything about Cliftonville, looks like a massive problem that's not going to be improved just by a few people moving there. I heard someone point out that the big old houses in Notting Hill were cheap as chips and run down in the 60's and 70's and now they're worth millions, so I guess people are hoping for a bit of that.
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  22. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    The council is fucked. There’s no money and as long as other councils are perfectly within their rights to dump their unwanted in the area, it’s never going to change. That’s a really depressing summary :(
  23. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    It is, but I can't see any argument against it. Glad I didn't get excited about Margate!

    On a more cheery note, have you been to the Revolution skate park? Looks like a good one, my youngest loved the one in Hastings so this could be another tick in Thanet(but not Margate)'s favour.

    Also, there are a lot of cabbages in Thanet(but not Margate) aren't there? Everywhere.
  24. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    Yes we’ve been to Revolution a few times - my son has dyspraxia though so not really his thing. They do climbing there as well as skateboarding. You should go to the Wheels and Fibs festival in September if you’re into that sort of thing.

    The foal also used to go to a Lego animation club on Saturdays in Ramsgate which is great.

    ETA - yes lots of cabbages Also cauliflower and potatoes. I like to see the tractors driving through the centre of Broadstairs. Nash Farm owns a lot of the land and they have a really good farm shop.
  25. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Nice one, thank you

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    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Sort that Tapatalk bollocks out, you slaaaag!!! :mad:
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  27. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

  28. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Anyone know anything about secondary schools?

    From what I can see the best one is Sir Roger Manwood's in Sandwich. Is there a mass exodus of kids from Ramsgate round Pegwell Bay every morning? Is this one of those places where the more well to do move to the right catchment area? Do people send their kids to other secondary's/private schools in Thanet when the Manwood places are taken?

    After that both the grammar schools (Dane Court and Chatham & Clarendon) seems alright, but the whole 11+ system is shite isn't it, total lottery. Poor nippers having to go through that. It's Dickensian. Smacks of a class system we should have moved on from decades ago. Does having two grammars mean it's easier to get into one of them?

    The Royal Harbour Academy in Ramsgate looks like one of the worst in the country. I gather they shut down two underperforming schools and created a brand new shite one. Is that right that the only non-grammar secondary in Ramsgate is that bad, or am I being too harsh?
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  29. trashpony

    trashpony Ovaries and tings

    I don't know anyone whose kid goes to Roger Manwood's - I think Ramsgate might be too far away for anyone from Thanet to stand much of a chance of getting in. Kids that pass the 11+ go to Dane Court or CCGS. It's personal preference really. Dane Court is considered more academic (but had a massive drugs problem last year) while CCGS has a more nurturing reputation and better SEN provision. My son has autism so has just started at CCGS and seems to be cautiously enjoying it so far.

    If your kid doesn't pass, Charles Dickens or St George's are considered better than RHA which is apparently shit. You have to go to church/cubs/brownies to get into St George's and lots of kids didn't get in this year because they've opened a primary school and the sibling rules applies up the school as well as down so people are moving their kids in primary so that their older sibling can get into the secondary.

    I know one family who went through the entire appeal process and their child still didn't get through so they've sent them to St Lawrence which is the private school in Ramsgate and they're going to do the 12+ in year 8.

    And yes, it's a completely shit system which is completely skewed towards middle class kids and I wish I'd thought about it before we moved here!
  30. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    That's great info, thanks, will read and digest
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