Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares
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Orangesanlemons
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missfran said:
El Bulli can do what they want, the list of applicants must be a hundred pages long by now. Who wouldn't if they could?
"Work experience" means cheap labour to me too, but very rarely free - I'd guess little India would be on minimum wage, or some approximation thereof, and I doubt Ramsay would need the potential bad publicity of offering someone experience on a national tv show and having it leak out that she was having to work for free. Ramsay Holdings can afford a fiver an hour, surely?
It's self-defeating and short-termist to operate such a system - your restaurant is going to lose out on the really hungry (in both senses) talent that comes your way because they simply can't afford to work for you. All you'll end up with is the few who are comfortably well-off enough to work for nothing for a while - and the young and comfortable rarely (if ever) cut it in a kitchen.
I don't doubt it goes on sometimes at the very highest end, but I think Ramsay's canny enough to realise the pitfalls of operating like that.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
So, one of the worlds most respected chefs gave her work experience in one if his restaurants, after singing her praises on a national TV show.
If she can't get herself a good job in the industry after that, then she's a bit of a muppet. What more of a head start does anyone need?
If she can't get herself a good job in the industry after that, then she's a bit of a muppet. What more of a head start does anyone need?
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
beesonthewhatnow said:
Oh, I dunno, maybe daddy buying you your very own restaurant in Paris, and covering your losses of £5.5k a month?
BTW, I totally agree.
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
Watched it last night, was gonna start a thread about it - was the best episode I've seen so far. She had potential success handed to her on a plate and she still didnt pull her finger out. JesusChairman Meow said:Anyone else watching this? Don't you want that spoilt cow running her own restaurant in Paris on Daddy's money to FAIL big time? I haven't seen anyone quite so useless in a long time.'Oh I can't some in today - my cat is having kittens' - FFS!
Gordon doesn't like her either - he likes the chef, although who ever heard of a scottish girl called India?
Glad Gordon took India on for work experience and I hope she does really well, she seemed to have her head screwed on tight and she deserves the chance to do well...
I don't quite why missfran's getting on her horse to be honest. The effective difference between work experience and a 'job offer' seems fairly minimal in any case - probationary periods and the instability in the industry quickly puts paid to any idea of security in that sense.
And the friend of the owner who left in a huff was so utterly hopeless that it was hard to see anything other than good sense in her departure.
And the friend of the owner who left in a huff was so utterly hopeless that it was hard to see anything other than good sense in her departure.
mrsfran
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I'm not getting on my horse, I just pointed out that he didn't offer her a job, he offered her work experience. They are different things. I agree that it's a great opportunity for her and she's lucky to get it. But let's not say that he's given her a job when he hasn't (although by now, I have no idea. Perhaps she's now working in Aubergine as a commis, and well done to her if she is).
There's no getting away from the fact that Gordon Ramsey is an unpleasant cock. It's how he makes his money. He bullies people, treats them like shit, humiliates them, and expects them to respect him for it. I don't care how useless someone is, no one deserves to be treated like that. I'd happily tell him to go fuck himself and walk out too if he spoke to me like that.
Would you put up with it?
There's no getting away from the fact that Gordon Ramsey is an unpleasant cock. It's how he makes his money. He bullies people, treats them like shit, humiliates them, and expects them to respect him for it. I don't care how useless someone is, no one deserves to be treated like that. I'd happily tell him to go fuck himself and walk out too if he spoke to me like that.
Would you put up with it?
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Actually, that rich girl with the blonde hair used to live in edinburgh and work in my mate's restaurant. My flatmate knows her. says she's a nippy cow. no surprise there.
ramsay's a total fuckin dick, tho you can't deride his culinary skills.
ramsay's a total fuckin dick, tho you can't deride his culinary skills.
I don't think any of those criticism of Ramsey are fair. He builds people up a lot more than he knocks them down, it's just that he is an obsessive and a perfectionist (like pretty much every great chef ever) and he doesn't have much time for laziness or self-delusion.
You just see a lot more of the knocking down bit on the telly 'cos it makes good viewing.
You just see a lot more of the knocking down bit on the telly 'cos it makes good viewing.
Yes, because that's his screen persona rather than the reality. I would stress that I know several people who have worked for Ramsey and speak highly of the bloke as a mentor - one of them in particular has done very well for herself, trained well and nurtured by him.
Truth is that most kitchens need to be run swiftly, efficiently and bluntly. It's not an airy-fairy environment that encourages lengthy discussion and pondering how to do things - it's high pressure and needs to be slightly militaristic in precision. Ramsey reflects that - I'd rather have his directness than those sneering, sarcastic types like that prissy arsehole Gary Rhodes anyday.
If you honestly think that Ramsey has got where he is by being solely a blustering bully who treats his employees like shit then you're sadly misguided and fallling for a tv charicature.
Truth is that most kitchens need to be run swiftly, efficiently and bluntly. It's not an airy-fairy environment that encourages lengthy discussion and pondering how to do things - it's high pressure and needs to be slightly militaristic in precision. Ramsey reflects that - I'd rather have his directness than those sneering, sarcastic types like that prissy arsehole Gary Rhodes anyday.
If you honestly think that Ramsey has got where he is by being solely a blustering bully who treats his employees like shit then you're sadly misguided and fallling for a tv charicature.
i think he's a self serving cunt who needs a kicking. Stupid pretentious wanker. There's people starving in the world, there's people who can't afford 'carrot gratin' and then there's this cunt who thumbs his nose at a plate of food as if some had thrown up on his plate. Fucker should get a life and disappear of the TV.Chairman Meow said:Well yes. But she wasn't going to make any money by, ermm, not bothering to open the restaurant at lunchtime at all, now was she?
Don't you think Ramsey was trying to help her, by giving her a boot up the arse (which Daddy should have given her a long time ago IMO). And why shouldn't he turn his nose up at the food if it was crap (and it looked vile!)?
Orangesanlemons
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Staff retention rates for Ramsay Holdings restaurants are something like 85% I believe, which tells its own story. He sounds like a bit of cock in real life, but there you go.
There are plenty of "nurturing" Kitchen Nightmares episodes as opposed to the "oh fuck me, fuck OFF!" versions.
One of my chefs used to work at a Gary Rhodes place btw tarannau and said it was one of the worst-organised bad-tempered places she's ever had the misfortune to be involved with.
There are plenty of "nurturing" Kitchen Nightmares episodes as opposed to the "oh fuck me, fuck OFF!" versions.
One of my chefs used to work at a Gary Rhodes place btw tarannau and said it was one of the worst-organised bad-tempered places she's ever had the misfortune to be involved with.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
missfran said:
Would I fuck. I don't need any job that badly.
I thought the French chef last night was brilliant, proper piss taker - and if his boss's later actions were anything to go by, his job was probably hell on earth.
And then another chef (and English one too) comes in and starts grabbing your pans and changing your food - you'd hit the roof!! Gordon Ramsey would hit the roof if someone did that in his kitchen. Chefs are bred to be cocky little gets, ime, and they learn to own their kitchen. I think Ramsey forgets this a lot of the time, with his logic that if the food isn't as great as his then you don't deserve to be called a chef and you don't deserve respect as a person??!
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
wishface said:
I take it you aren't a chef or a food critic then?
what bollocks. she was helping her friend out and along comes some cunt who shouts nothing but abuse at her.tarannau said:
FFS if she hadn't walked out i'd think there was something wrong with her?
Obviously leatherface ramsay is far too used to sycophants and flunkies licking his backside.
mrsfran
Well-Known Member
tarannau said:
Don't patronise me. I know about the oh-so-macho kitchen environment and how tough it is. I'm sure he is a good head chef and I'm sure he's good to work for. However - if you were sitting there, a TV camera in your face, and Gordon Ramsey's screaming at you about what a complete pile of shit you are and how completely fucking useless you are, you'd just sit there and take that, would you? Sit and smile and be bullied and humiliated for the audience's entertainment, and say "Yes chef" and be made to look like a fool?
I wouldn't. I don't give a shit how important it is to run a great big kitchen like a military operation. Gordon's sitting there, in a one-on-one situation, simply being a cunt because that's how he makes his money. I'd walk out, and I think anyone else with an ounce of self-respect should too.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Agree with tarranau. The kitchen was fucking stinking for a start - rotten food in with fresh - there's no excuse for that. I'd expect a bollocking if I was as bad at my job as that. Same as the waitress girl - she was bloody rubbish too. What did she expect strolling in late like that?
wishface said:
She wasn't helping her friend out for free though was she? Silly fool walked ion late for the start of a new opportunity and was all overdefensive about the fact that the place- despite often near empty - was fucking dirty and poorly organised. She was taking her mate for a ride with her attitude and lack of work - it may not have been pleasant, but Ramsey was right. There's only so much you can do with deadwood. Strangely enough, both the French part time chef and India seemed to work really well and be enthused by Ramsey.
Besides, I'm not the silly bollocks who thinks that serving soup and a roll at lunchtime for 6euros makes Ramsey 'pretentious'...
missfran said:
You think she kept her self respect there? She was clearly taking the piss out of her friend and having a nice, lazy existence off someone's dad. Now that's fair enough - but hold your hand up, say that you can do better and move on, not turn up late and act the precious 'I'm not taking it' princess.
IMO Ramsey came out of that scene better than she did - he was fairly calm and to the point whilst she blustered and threw her toys out of the pram. Her guilty conscience and subsequent storm out, not his.
And I'll just reiterate, Ramesy doesn't make money by a being a 'cunt.' He's a pretty darn good, near obsessional chef at the root of it all. I don't even like the bloke particularly, but I find myself defending him here.
Love the view that I'm patronising you btw, when your posts are full of emotive, leading nonsense.
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
I don't watch Gordon Ramsay programmes because they always tend towards content-free shouting. Which does make me question why I spend so much time on Urban.
redsnapper
Vintage Urban
lol. What's that got to do with anything? She also had a thoroughly irritating attitude and the sort of personality you'd expect from a spoilt kid.CharlieAddict said:
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
maldwyn said:
oh yes, had it written all over her smarmy little face
