'Racist thug' detained for attack
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tbaldwin said:
First things first - I questioned your sanity as you seem to like trotting out the empty Richard Littlejohn-ist rhetoric when arguing with people on questions of race - like another poster (that shall not be named) who was recently banned for being a race-obsessed freak. Not only do these empty phrases, like "racist liberals" (
) undermine your argument (as it makes you sound like a rabid little xenophobe who uses only soundbytes), but it also makes you sound like you have a rather large chip on your shoulder. This makes it very hard for anyone to have a coherant and balanced argument with you.Secondly, I don't know CockneyRebel, and I doubt very much that I have been "brainwashed" by the "liberal elite" as you righteous rightwingers (who have'nt been brainwashed by the Murdoch press, oh no) always harp on. What is your obsession? Can't you see things from a balanced viewpoint?
Lastly, when you use phrases like "Liberal racist shit" should we defend our positions when all you can offer is rabid, empty rhetoric? Is it even worth debating with you? State your case.
Richard
I have stated my case. Which is Socialist and you call me a right winger and then go on to say it's hard to have a debate with me.
What were dealing with here is your biased and limited views. You see people arguing against immigration controls as the anti racists. And that for me kind of sums you and a lot of people on here up. You are RACIST LIBERALS. You probably think its raelly good that the UK takes so many Intelligent people from abroad. So many Doctors Teachers,Engineers and Nurses.
It's so easy for some people to look at Racism as though its all the fault of other less kind and educated people. But look at what people like CR contribute too. they have made Socialism and Anti Racism a joke and their Joke Internationalism is stunningly stupid.
I have stated my case. Which is Socialist and you call me a right winger and then go on to say it's hard to have a debate with me.
What were dealing with here is your biased and limited views. You see people arguing against immigration controls as the anti racists. And that for me kind of sums you and a lot of people on here up. You are RACIST LIBERALS. You probably think its raelly good that the UK takes so many Intelligent people from abroad. So many Doctors Teachers,Engineers and Nurses.
It's so easy for some people to look at Racism as though its all the fault of other less kind and educated people. But look at what people like CR contribute too. they have made Socialism and Anti Racism a joke and their Joke Internationalism is stunningly stupid.
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tbaldwin said:
So, to be clear, you believe that there are some black people carrying out racial crimes against white people everyday in London, which involves anything from mugging and racial attacks to school bullying, yes?
In that case you could also argue that there are some white people carrying out racial crimes against black people everyday in London, which involves anything from mugging and racial attacks to school bullying, yes?
Or, you could put forward the view that there are some people carrying out racial crimes against people of a different race everyday in London, which involves anything from mugging and racial attacks to school bullying, yes?
Its very hard to have a debate with you. Only because you seem to lower your argument by overuse of cliches.
That's because I see xenophobia as racism, and the chief protagonists of xenophobia are those calling for tougher border controls. In fact, I don't even believe in borders.
Well, bully for me. Whatever you see yourself as, you don't sound very happy. I'd hate to be filled with hate like you!
I think the economy, culture and vibrancy of this country has been boosted by immigration - you seem to think that we have "poached" these people when they have come here for want of a better life. Why should they be forced to stay? Free movement is a basic human right. Any "socialist" would understand that.
"Joke Internationalism" - what an insular view of the world. One more of your empty rhetorical statements. Your rolling off with them today....
I don't think you are a socialist, "t" - you sound far too reactionary and race-obsessed.
Richard White said:
Like too many lefties you seem to want to bend the facts to fit the ideology. So I am not allowed to believe the evidence of my own eyes, nor that of friends and acquaintances; instead, I am simply misled by the local rag. A bit rich coming from somebody experiencing the situation from the safety of Salford (?) University library, but there you go.
The hard fact is that, from the end of the 1980s onwards, the Oldham Chronicle was able to report the increasing Asian gang attacks on outnumbered, and often lone, white males because (roll on the drums....) they were happening. The OC might have put a certain slant on the stories and largely ignored attacks on Asians by whites, but that is does not mean that it was simply inventing the attacks on whites, nor the notable Asian crime wave (often Pakistani versus Bangladeshi criminal gangs) that was taking place at the same time. One of the most common topics of conversation in the town throughout the 1990s was of how different to the previous generation of Asians were many of the younger generation.* (I have already mentioned some of the reasons for this in posts above.) Prior to 2001 and the intervention of the far right, the hardline racists in the town were caught on the back foot; in truth, they were shit scared and had to wait for outside help. To think that they were afraid of shadows conjured up by the OC is simply laughable: what they were worried about was the reputation the Asian gangs were getting themselves; the days when any Asian was an easy target for 'Paki bashing' were well and truly over.
To claim that the OC somehow directly supported the BNP and is likely to do so again is equally laughable. It has been a miserable arsewipe rag in the past - as I once pointed out to the BNP member 'Oldhamer', when he posted on here for a while, that it was loathed by the local left during the eighties; Oldhamer, doubtless like the rest of his BNP branch, regards it as 'left-wing.'
RW and Oldhamer: proof of the way far-right and liberal left are equally deluded. They need each other.
*Note for imbeciles: I am not condemning the Asian population of Oldham as a whole, nor even the vast majority of Asian youth, simply those who band together to plague both the white population and their own communities.
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Richard White said:
*Ethnic minorities are more at risk than others of household crimes such as burglary and vehicle theft. There are less marked or less consistent differences in risks of personal crimes.
*Whilst people from ethnic minorities are no more at risk of violent crime than others, they are much more likely to perceive a racial dimension in the crimes they experience.
*Most of the differences in risk reflect variations in the demographic profile of different groups, such as area of residence, age, social class and income. However, after controlling for other factors, Indians are more at risk of burglary.
*Overall the results do not suggest substantial over-representation of ethnic minorities amongst offenders. The risk of being mugged is around three times higher for minority ethnic groups than for white groups.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hors223.pdf
Jesus LLESTA! What are you trying to do, patronise me to death?!
All I was pointing out was that the Oldham Chronicle had a part in stirring up tension regarding the lead up to the Oldham race riots.
Most of my research was carried out in Oldham, qualitatively, not in "the safety of Salford University library" (and it was a shit library, too). I gauged a lot of public opinion - that the Oldham Chronicle had inflammed the situation like any local paper (and its is a shitrag - you've got that right). But it sounds like you don't really give a shit - hence your attitude.
Cheers.
All I was pointing out was that the Oldham Chronicle had a part in stirring up tension regarding the lead up to the Oldham race riots.
Most of my research was carried out in Oldham, qualitatively, not in "the safety of Salford University library" (and it was a shit library, too). I gauged a lot of public opinion - that the Oldham Chronicle had inflammed the situation like any local paper (and its is a shitrag - you've got that right). But it sounds like you don't really give a shit - hence your attitude.
Cheers.past caring
The Cathars were right
That the best response you can muster? 
Richard White said:
1 Your not the first person to tell me i'm Richard Littlejohn, Right wing etc and say i use too many cliches.
2 That exactly illustrates my point about the limits of your views.Bigoted shallow Liberal nonsense.
3 I'm reasonably happy. Just not that happy to accept Racist arguements.
4 So do i you twat. But i'm an Internationalist and the effect of so called free movement of Labour means taking the people poor countries need most.
It is entirely contradictory to be for the free movement of labour and not capital.
"Free Movement is a basic human right" Yeah thats true!!!!!!!!!
Talk about Liberal shit. EVERYBODYS FREE BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE FREEER THAN OTHERS.
5 Joke Internationalism sums it up.
6 My views are not reactionary just an attempt at being honest.
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rednblack said:while i was walking through tottenham the other night a load of black teenagers started shouting about killing white people at me, i tried to tell them i liked the cosby show but it didnt work
Me and a few mates were referred to as 'Babylon' at one time by black youths and my brother and myself were set on by a group of Asians with baseball bats. We managed to defend ourselves.
The thing is, in the first instance the police were involved in high profile policing after recent riots in the area and in the latter case, there were rumours flying about that the NF were due to march. Paranoia abounded and we were seen as either police, racists, or both. We are neither.
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LLETSA said:
i see a lot of similarities between the extremists on both sides participating in a form of collectivism,and shared mutually exclusive sense of victimhood and perception of the other side getting favourable treatment from the authorities and their own side not getting a fair hearing.And then using that sense of grievence to try to justify further unwarrented violence
If truth be told the extremists have a lot more in common than they would choose to believe.
cockneyrebel said:
I would not have liked to have been in the way when the Asian mob went on the rampage in May 2001. This is the Asian mob that firebombed some pubs while people were drinking in them, and entered others, beating up the customers, some of whom were elderly.
While most pull up short of actually saying it, I have before now heard some lefties justify this as being somehow payback for the years when the previous generation of Asians suffered atthe hands of white racists. Most of these people were a very long way from Oldham on the nights of the riots. They either have their heads so far up their arses that they have starved their brains of oxygen, or they really are living on another planet. They need to repeat: 'It is not still 1978.' Over and over again.
'The times they are a - changing....'
And the white males who were regularly set upon in Oldham during the 1990s were perceived by their attackers as neither 'babylon' nor NF. They were on the offensive and, where they could get away with it, did not choose their targets with care.
There is something going on that the left does not want to recognise. This is because their ideology and way of looking at events belongs to a different era than the one we are living through.
MC5 said:
And the white males who were regularly set upon in Oldham during the 1990s were perceived by their attackers as neither 'babylon' nor NF. They were on the offensive and, where they could get away with it, did not choose their targets with care.
There is something going on that the left does not want to recognise. This is because their ideology and way of looking at events belongs to a different era than the one we are living through.
Basically what LLETSA and tbaldwin are saying is that the wogs brought it on themselves.
After all they should lie down like good coons and if they get a slapping or their mum is spat on then...they should go to the OB...hahahahahahahah. fucking minorities eh? just cant take a good kicking like the old days...
After all they should lie down like good coons and if they get a slapping or their mum is spat on then...they should go to the OB...hahahahahahahah. fucking minorities eh? just cant take a good kicking like the old days...
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ChrisBear said:
is this supposed to be ironic?
Richard White said:Jesus LLESTA! What are you trying to do, patronise me to death?!
All I was pointing out was that the Oldham Chronicle had a part in stirring up tension regarding the lead up to the Oldham race riots.
Most of my research was carried out in Oldham, qualitatively, not in "the safety of Salford University library" (and it was a shit library, too). I gauged a lot of public opinion - that the Oldham Chronicle had inflammed the situation like any local paper (and its is a shitrag - you've got that right). But it sounds like you don't really give a shit - hence your attitude.
My 'attitude' stems from the fact that you make unsubstantiated claims. Even now that you've edited your 'wouldn't like to meet you down a dark alley' nonsense, you simply make a few unverifiable statements and then sign off sulkily.
D-minus.
PS Have you got that evidence that the old man (Walter Brierley?) was pissed and shouting racial abuse? And not a war veteran as claimed?
Did he cause his own injuries too, or did the Oldham Chron (working alongside the BNP) provide a good make-up artist?
And are you going to give an opinion regarding whether a pissed-up pensioner shouting racial abuse deserves his face kicking in?
In your own time.
LLETSA said:
I thought it was your forte!
P.S. I could answer your questions, but fuck it - we'd only get into a slanging match. I also see that your also living up to your user profile. My "evidence" is from Asian youths who saw Walter Chamberlain walking through the industrial estate in Westwood prior to his attack.
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