r*dw*tch: campaign of intimidation

[bolshiebhoy]

Then can you refrain from bringing this messageboard into desrepute by condoning illegal violence.

What like the invasion of Iraq?

 

[nino_savatte]

Who said "bad" as?

The problem with Indymedia as I've said before, is that they can APPEAR to give legiticmacy to the violence of Redwatch.

You saying that I'm somehow being an NF/BNP apologist for because of that, is as daft as me saying that

Someone who agrees with the statement "Locking up muslims in Guantamo bay gives the islamic terrorists credibility in the muslim world" is an apologist for terrorism.

Rubbish and you still haven't said which BNP 'policies' you agree with. Sorry but agreeing with even some of their policies is almost as bad as voting for them. You may just as well be a card-carrying member of the party.

 

[TonkaToy]

Liar. But if you "don't agree with many of the policies of the BNP", what policies of theirs do you agree with? It seems to me that the BNP have few policies other than to kick out blacks and Asians and set up a fascist state.

Fuck off Nino. You are trying to troll me into posting a few positive statements about the BNP. I'll do no such thing.

You know I'm right re political violence but you can't handle me, so ya have to go for my throat by chucking the mud about. Doesn't work...mate.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Someone who agrees with the statement "Locking up muslims in Guantamo bay gives the islamic terrorists credibility in the muslim world" is an apologist for terrorism.

No they're not. Somebody who says they agree with terrorism is an apologist for terrorism. Somebody who says that locking up people in Guantanamo breeds support for terrorism is a political analyst. Somebody who says that the previous two are the same is a liar and a purveyor of smears.

 

[nino_savatte]

Fuck off Nino. You are trying to troll me into posting a few positive statements about the BNP. I'll do no such thing.

You know I'm right re political violence but you can't handle me, so ya have to go for my throat by chucking the mud about. Doesn't work...mate.

You're desperate. I'll ask you again: which BNP policies do you agree with?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Then can you refrain from bringing this messageboard into desrepute by condoning illegal violence.

..or that of Brian Nelson.

 

[TonkaToy]

You're desperate. I'll ask you again: which BNP policies do you agree with?

Running with scissors is dangerous.

Oh yeah..and one I've being saying all day long.

Smash the unions. They hold us all back.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Then can you refrain from bringing this messageboard into desrepute by condoning illegal violence.

Cheers.

If you'd care to show me where I've "condoned illegal violence"...

See, you won't actually find me having done that on this thread. What you will find are your rather pathetic attempts to imply that I condone it, followed by your accusations that I condone it.

You're a fantasist, and not a very imaginative one, either. A 12-yr old could probably have done a better stitch-up job than the one you're trying.

 

[TonkaToy]

No they're not. Somebody who says they agree with terrorism is an apologist for terrorism. Somebody who says that locking up people in Guantanamo breeds support for terrorism is a political analyst. Somebody who says that the previous two are the same is a liar and a purveyor of smears.

Erm Donna. Ya really want to slow down a bit and reread what I posted.

 

[TonkaToy]

If you'd care to show me where I've "condoned illegal violence"...

See, you won't actually find me having done that on this thread. What you will find are your rather pathetic attempts to imply that I condone it, followed by your accusations that I condone it.

You're a fantasist, and not a very imaginative one, either. A 12-yr old could probably have done a better stitch-up job than the one you're trying.

If you don't condone political violence, then what is your fucking problem with me VP?

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're not mixing them up with the FCS?

IIRC Iain Duncan Smith temporarily disbanded the Monday Club during his travails as party leader.

Tebbit permanently disbanded the FCS back in the late 80s-early 90s from what I recall.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If you don't condone political violence, then what is your fucking problem with me VP?

Sit down and have a think about it, and then, if you still can't work it out get back to me and I'll tell you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

..or that of Brian Nelson.

You may have noticed how, when faced with cold hard reality, TonkaToy tends to ignore the subject upon which he has made himself look an arse.

 

[TonkaToy]

Sit down and have a think about it, and then, if you still can't work it out get back to me and I'll tell you.

You sound like my last girlfriend and believe me that ain't a compliment.

 

[TonkaToy]

You may have noticed how, when faced with cold hard reality, TonkaToy tends to ignore the subject upon which he has made himself look an arse.

It's not a question of ignoring stuff. I'm not fucking wikipedia, I don't know it all and neither do you.

So rather than post up sly fucking off the cuff remarks mentioning names involved in past questionble acts by agents of the state, it would be rather nice if a more direct approach was taken like

OY!!!!

Whatcha reckon of this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/766926.stm

Do you agree with such actions and what do you think about prevention of such acts in the future, then life would be a lot easier for all of us.

But ho hum. Some people aren't interested in adult debate.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

IIRC Iain Duncan Smith temporarily disbanded the Monday Club during his travails as party leader.

Ah, right. I didn't know that. In fact I didn't know he had the power to.

 

[Roadkill]

I don't think he disbanded the Monday Club so much as banned shadow cabinet members from being involved in it, did he?

The Monday Club were deemed a bit too xenophobic even for IDS's Tory party, if my memory serves me right...

 

[nino_savatte]

Running with scissors is dangerous.

Oh yeah..and one I've being saying all day long.

Smash the unions. They hold us all back.

You're being evasive now.

The far right advocate elitism based on race and notions of national identity. Whereas these features are absent on the far left.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

But ho hum. Some people aren't interested in adult debate.

So go on then, was Brian Nelson's political violence - sanctioned and supported by agents of your beloved democratic state - defensible? Was it even legal? Or is anythig the state does legal by definition?

This should be interesting.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You sound like my last girlfriend and believe me that ain't a compliment.

Mrs Palm talked to you?

 

[TonkaToy]

So go on then, was Brian Nelson's political violence - sanctioned and supported by agents of your beloved democratic state - defensible? Was it even legal? Or is anythig the state does legal by definition?

This should be interesting.

If it was sanctioned then of course that is totally wrong and unacceptable. However, since Northern Ireland is going through a pretty succesful peace process I really, really can't find it in me to declare that somehow we are living in some kind of dictatorship that needs to be overthrown in favour of something which is even further away from the holy grail of 100% open democracy where the people have a real say in their futures.

 

[TonkaToy]

You're being evasive now.

The far right advocate elitism based on race and notions of national identity. Whereas these features are absent on the far left.

Even the BNP would have an opinion on how the bins are emptied. "Elitisim" ? That's you're opinion. I've no time for the BNP and the things they can sometimes choose to get uptight about. Sometimes they can be quite logical, other times they are very, very dissapointing in the logic they decide to follow. Incedently, I've just read the Monday club website. What I found amusing, was that I agree with most of it. But what I disagree with, I disagree with so strongly that I find them totally alien to my views.

Equally, I might be able to agree with you that the global arms trade needs bringing to book like yesterday. I might find that I actually agree with you on a lot of green issues. But then, there could be stuff that makes us want to book pistols at dawn.

That's politics for you.

 

[TonkaToy]

Mrs Palm talked to you?

I wish Mrs Palmolive would speak to you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's not a question of ignoring stuff. I'm not fucking wikipedia, I don't know it all and neither do you.

So rather than post up sly fucking off the cuff remarks mentioning names involved in past questionble acts by agents of the state, it would be rather nice if a more direct approach was taken like

OY!!!!

Whatcha reckon of this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/766926.stm

Do you agree with such actions and what do you think about prevention of such acts in the future, then life would be a lot easier for all of us.

But ho hum. Some people aren't interested in adult debate.

"Some people" generally meaning you, old son.

I think that the use of Brian Nelson was a low point in a series of low points. I think that the endorsement of the protestant paramilitaries by elements of the military and of the secret state was and is a disgrace that perpetuated "the troubles", caused more deaths on both sides of the religiuous divide and actually made life far harder for the British army as well as arguably caused them more casualties, but, as I made clear in an earlier post which you obviously didn't bother to read, the "secret state" isn't democratic, it isn't mandated, and it does what the fuck it likes under the guise of "national security".

You wouldn't know "adult debate" if it bit you on the arse.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ah, right. I didn't know that. In fact I didn't know he had the power to.

You may recall that IDS made quite a few changes to the C & UP "constitution" when he came to power. Greater control over associated bodies was one of them (he also had conservative family values-type group run by that dr in Exeter shut down).

 

[TonkaToy]

"Some people" generally meaning you, old son.

I think that the use of Brian Nelson was a low point in a series of low points. I think that the endorsement of the protestant paramilitaries by elements of the military and of the secret state was and is a disgrace that perpetuated "the troubles", caused more deaths on both sides of the religiuous divide and actually made life far harder for the British army as well as arguably caused them more casualties, but, as I made clear in an earlier post which you obviously didn't bother to read, the "secret state" isn't democratic, it isn't mandated, and it does what the fuck it likes under the guise of "national security".

You wouldn't know "adult debate" if it bit you on the arse.

You wouldn't know reason if it bit you in the arse. The problem with you is that you don't know how to deal with people who can agree there is a problem, but disagree with you on the solution.

It's like the global arms trade. I'm a Tory who really feels strongly about the global arms business and the lives that are being ruined and lost, but there's too many lefties keen to score political points out of it for their wider agenda. Very frustrating.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

If it was sanctioned then of course that is totally wrong and unacceptable.

If?

You don't think that the same stuff is being done in Iraq now, today?That for example the two Brit soldiers arrested by Iraqi police months ago and then forcibly freed by their mates were dressed up as members of the Mahdi army because they were going to a fancy dress party?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think he disbanded the Monday Club so much as banned shadow cabinet members from being involved in it, did he?

The Monday Club were deemed a bit too xenophobic even for IDS's Tory party, if my memory serves me right...

He temp disbanded it and then banned cabinet involvement. Amusing, as the "enforcer" he used to do the dirty was David Davis, sometime member of the ...Monday Club!

 

[ViolentPanda]

If it was sanctioned then of course that is totally wrong and unacceptable.

It was sanctioned. That much has been established by multiple sources including our own courts.

However, since Northern Ireland is going through a pretty succesful peace process I really, really can't find it in me to declare that somehow we are living in some kind of dictatorship that needs to be overthrown in favour of something which is even further away from the holy grail of 100% open democracy where the people have a real say in their futures.

Has absolutely nothing to do with Brian Nelson.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wish Mrs Palmolive would speak to you.

That job as a stand-up comic?

Don't give up your day job.