r*dw*tch: campaign of intimidation

[ViolentPanda]

This leaves the reader in no doubt...well, certain readers will have a problem with the text.



Indymedia does what now?

I can see why TonkaToy might be worried about attacks on BNP members.

 

[TonkaToy]

Are you defending the BNP and NF? It looks like it. I advocate serious violence against the fash...it's only right and proper.

Because you're nothing more than a petty criminal who loves violence. You belong in prison along with anyone else that doesn't understand that it's the job of the police to deal with criminal violence.

 

[TonkaToy]

I can see why TonkaToy would be worried about attacks on BNP members.

I have a problem with any and all political violence.

I find it interesting that you've not been laying into CockneyRebel regarding that dodgy website that he posted up, that calls for the a violent end to democracy in this country and around the world.

If you believe in criminal policital street violence, you belong in prison.

You're nothing more than a common criminal.

 

[TonkaToy]

All those rightwing values that you adore, that's what they stand for.

That's a very subjective and vague apprasail. But I find it troublesome that you promote the stereotype of a lot of far left wingers being nothing more than violent thugs.

 

[nino_savatte]

Because you're nothing more than a petty criminal who loves violence. You belong in prison along with anyone else that doesn't understand that it's the job of the police to deal with criminal violence.

What are you saying here? That I'm a petty criminal who "loves violence"? You're off yer fucking heid. That's a fanstastic (as in fantasy) accusation there, Tonka Twat. I think most people on Urban feel the same way as me. The fash get bashed, simple as.

If you want to continue to defend these racists, be my guest but it's you who looks like the criminal (and quite possibly the racist too).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Because you're nothing more than a petty criminal who loves violence. You belong in prison along with anyone else that doesn't understand that it's the job of the police to deal with criminal violence.

You do love throwing accusations around, don't you?

It's a pity you're so gutless, snivelling and whiny when it comes to anyone saying anything even remotely offensive about you.

 

[nino_savatte]

That's a very subjective and vague apprasail. But I find it troublesome that you promote the stereotype of a lot of far left wingers being nothing more than violent thugs.

Cute wee spin there, Tonka. Pity for you that it's narrative.

I don't suppose you're auld enough to remember Blair Peach - are you?

 

[TonkaToy]

This leaves the reader in no doubt...well, certain readers will have a problem with the text.



Indymedia does what now?

Oh yeah of course. Indymedia wants to be unique in the world in being an entinity that changes when it suits them.

On the one hand they want to be a collective newswire with all the power and influence that comes with it, but on the other hand they want to declare that it's nothing more than a collection of posts by the Joe Public and therefore doesn't have the responsibilty of the press.

The words eat have your it cake and spring to mind.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I have a problem with any and all political violence.

Including that carried out by the Brit state?

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's a very subjective and vague apprasail.

Not really. If people care to look across the threads you contribute to they can get a fairly accurate picture of the politics you espouse on Urban and then compare them (via the asistance of google)with, for example, the politics of the Conservative party, the politics of the Monday Club or even the politics of the BNP.

But I find it troublesome that you promote the stereotype of a lot of far left wingers being nothing more than violent thugs.

Are you hallucinating again?

Poor you.

 

[TonkaToy]

Including that carried out by the Brit state?

The British state acts under the mandate of democracy. If you really think the British state is that violent and that corrupt, then you know what to fucking do.

No one supports you or your politics because your politics is not only out of touch, but it comes from a completly different planet.

 

[nino_savatte]

Oh yeah of course. Indymedia wants to be unique in the world in being an entinity that changes when it suits them.

On the one hand they want to be a collective newswire with all the power and influence that comes with it, but on the other hand they want to declare that it's nothing more than a collection of posts by the Joe Public and therefore doesn't have the responsibilty of the press.

The words eat have your it cake and spring to mind.

Fuck me, you're not only an apologist for the BNP/NF, you come out with the most ridiculous shite imaginable. Indymedia is an independent news source on the web. it isn't allied to any political groups like Redwatch which is linked to most of the far right groups in the UK.

The words "ignorant bonehead" spring to mind.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh yeah of course. Indymedia wants to be unique in the world in being an entinity that changes when it suits them.

On the one hand they want to be a collective newswire with all the power and influence that comes with it, but on the other hand they want to declare that it's nothing more than a collection of posts by the Joe Public and therefore doesn't have the responsibilty of the press.

The words eat have your it cake and spring to mind.

You appear to be labouring under the delusion that the British press is regulated in anything but name.

 

[nino_savatte]

The British state acts under the mandate of democracy. If you really think the British state is that violent and that corrupt, then you know what to fucking do.

No one supports you or your politics because your politics is not only out of touch, but it comes from a completly different planet.

I've heard this shite argued by the far right. I'm only surprised you haven't said "Democracy is collective irresponsibility".

 

[bolshiebhoy]

The British state acts under the mandate of democracy.

When did you last get a vote on the activities of MI6/5? How many Iraqi's voted to be invaded by your democratic state?

 

[TonkaToy]

Not really. If people care to look across the threads you contribute to they can get a fairly accurate picture of the politics you espouse on Urban and then compare them (via the asistance of google)with, for example, the politics of the Conservative party, the politics of the Monday Club or even the politics of the BNP.

Are you hallucinating again?

Poor you.

Post up what the fucking Monday club is about. I've heard of them, but I've not a clue what they are about. Sorry, but I don't.

I have list longer than my arm of the policies of the BNP that I don't agree with.

I can't argue with you about the Monday club because I simply haven't a clue what they stand for.

YOU however stand for political violence. You do so because you are a left wing thug.

 

[nino_savatte]

Post up what the fucking Monday club is about. I've heard of them, but I've not a clue what they are about. Sorry, but I don't.

I have list longer than my arm of the policies that they have that I don't agree with.

I can't argue with you about the Monday club because I simply haven't a clue what they stand for.

YOU however stand for political violence. You do so because you are a left wing thug.

You appear to be contradicting yourself here. First you say "I have list longer than my arm of the policies that they have that I don't agree with". Then you come out with this "I can't argue with you about the Monday club because I simply haven't a clue what they stand for".

Someone's telling porkies.

 

[tarannau]

The difference is that Indymedia hasn't got lovely captions underneath it's photos, saying lovely things like 'remember the traitors' faces, they will pay.' Neither has there been a history of names and home addresses appearing on Indymedia for the first time, followed by death threats and even stabbing attacks on those individuals - that's more than you can say for Redwatch.

Sometimes in your haste to defend the right Tonka, you somehow manage to come across as even more of BNP apologising fuckwit than would first appea. Do you honestly think that the approach and agenda of Indymedia and Redwatch is that similar?

 

[ViolentPanda]

The British state acts under the mandate of democracy. If you really think the British state is that violent and that corrupt, then you know what to fucking do.

Wrong.
The British state, that is the apparatii rather than the politicians, acts under the orders of the government, not "under the mandate of democracy". It is the politicians that are mandated, and a change in the political persuasion of the politicians doesn't tend to lead to the alteration of the behaviour of the state apparatuses, especially not to the functions of the so-called "secret state".

No one supports you or your politics because your politics is not only out of touch, but it comes from a completly different planet.

I do think you need to actually reach a stage of intellectual development where you know what you're talking about before you are able to lecture others about politics.
That way there's a small chance people won't laugh at you. Only a small chance, mind.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Hang on though .Someone can be nauesatingly rightwing, provocative with it, opposed to violence against the BNP and talk cobblers about the left, but that doesn't make them an apologist for the BNP. There's a line here and I don't think that this (thoroughly dislikeable) poster has crossed it.

 

[TonkaToy]

Fuck me, you're not only an apologist for the BNP/NF, you come out with the most ridiculous shite imaginable. Indymedia is an independent news source on the web. it isn't allied to any political groups like Redwatch which is linked to most of the far right groups in the UK.

The words "ignorant bonehead" spring to mind.

How am I an apologist for the fucking BNP or the NF?

Just because I believe in the political process?

You're an apoligist for left wing criminal thugs. Indymedia is not willing to take any of the responsibilities of being a news source. If Indymedia was bound by the PCC they would be roasted every day.

Indymedia's UK servers should be shutdown because they are unable to operate within the bounds of UK law.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Post up what the fucking Monday club is about. I've heard of them, but I've not a clue what they are about. Sorry, but I don't.

I have list longer than my arm of the policies of the BNP that I don't agree with.

I can't argue with you about the Monday club because I simply haven't a clue what they stand for.

Google is your friend (someone's got to be).

YOU however stand for political violence. You do so because you are a left wing thug.

You really don't have a clue, do you?
Must be all that south coast sea air rotting your brain.

I'm not a "left wing thug", little boy. I'm just a thug plain and simple.

 

[TonkaToy]

You appear to be contradicting yourself here. First you say "I have list longer than my arm of the policies that they have that I don't agree with". Then you come out with this "I can't argue with you about the Monday club because I simply haven't a clue what they stand for".

Someone's telling porkies.

I had one line above that, that asked for VP to withdraw a statement about me and the BNP - I deleted it, along with the reference to the BNP.

I don't agree with many of the policies of the BNP.

I can't comment on the Monday club because I don't have a clue what they are about.

 

[TonkaToy]

Google is your friend (someone's got to be).

You really don't have a clue, do you?
Must be all that south coast sea air rotting your brain.

I'm not a "left wing thug", little boy. I'm just a thug plain and simple.

Then can you refrain from bringing this messageboard into desrepute by condoning illegal violence.

Cheers.

 

[nino_savatte]

How am I an apologist for the fucking BNP or the NF?

Just because I believe in the political process?

You're an apoligist for left wing criminal thugs. Indymedia is not willing to take any of the responsibilities of being a news source. If Indymedia was bound by the PCC they would be roasted every day.

Indymedia's UK servers should be shutdown because they are unable to operate within the bounds of UK law.

Not wanting to play your stupid game, I'll just say this: you claimed that Indymedia were as bad as redwatch but this isn't true; it's in your imagination...either that, or you are defending the right of Redwatch to advocate violence against peace campaigners.

Your last paragraph is typical guff. You can't wriggle out of this, so you lash out.

But you should be happy, donna seems to have raced to your defence.

 

[JHE]

I thought the Monday Club had disbanded, but apparently it still exists.

http://www.conservativeuk.com/index.htm

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I thought the Monday Club had disbanded

You're not mixing them up with the FCS?

 

[nino_savatte]

I had one line above that, that asked for VP to withdraw a statement about me and the BNP - I deleted it, along with the reference to the BNP.

I don't agree with many of the policies of the BNP.

I can't comment on the Monday club because I don't have a clue what they are about.

Liar. But if you "don't agree with many of the policies of the BNP", what policies of theirs do you agree with? It seems to me that the BNP have few policies other than to kick out blacks and Asians and set up a fascist state.

 

[TonkaToy]

Not wanting to play your stupid game, I'll just say this: you claimed that Indymedia were as bad as redwatch but this isn't true; it's in your imagination...either that, or you are defending the right of Redwatch to advocate violence against peace campaigners.

Your last paragraph is typical guff. You can't wriggle out of this, so you lash out.

But you should be happy, donna seems to have raced to your defence.

Who said "bad" as?

The problem with Indymedia as I've said before, is that they can APPEAR to give legiticmacy to the violence of Redwatch.

You saying that I'm somehow being an NF/BNP apologist for because of that, is as daft as me saying that

Someone who agrees with the statement "Locking up muslims in Guantamo bay gives the islamic terrorists credibility in the muslim world" is an apologist for terrorism.

 

[JoePolitix]

I thought the Monday Club had disbanded, but apparently it still exists.

http://www.conservativeuk.com/index.htm

Good news then, finally an outfit you can join.