Quincy Jones

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  1. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

  2. S☼I

    S☼I I don't want your poxy mint

    Still doesn't matter how good a musician people who make music are, whether it be McCartney, Monk or Mussorgsky. It's about the sound and the feel and the songs, maaaan.
     
  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Right so anyone who appreciates his talent can only be a fanboy? Rrrrright.

    Given that you seem so opinionated on the subject, it's also strange how you won't offer any opinions on what makes a good bass player. Why is that?
     
  4. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  5. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    Maybe to Quincy's ear? ... FFS, he's certainly heard a lot of actually good musicians over the years and as such is perfectly entitled to an opinion...
     
  6. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Of course he is. Just some people can express what a twat he sounds when he refuses to condemn Cosby.
     
  7. S☼I

    S☼I I don't want your poxy mint

    "Actually good" lol

    My bone of contention is that he calls McCartney the worst bass player. He must only have ever met total musos then.
     
  8. RainbowTown

    RainbowTown Well-Known Member

    True. But to describe The Beatles as the "worst musicians in the world" and Macca's bass playing as "the worst I've ever heard", coupled with the fact that he praises Ed Sheeran, rather indicates that Quincy's ear has gone, quite suddenly and dramatically, all Van Gogh...
     
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  9. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    I love the fact that an aged Quincy is throwing caution to the wind and fessing up on what he thinks/thought/knows etc... I think it's probably important to take what he says with a pinch of the salt of perception, trust and plain old personal choice. I don't think he is lying, despite his lack of Marxist self analysis :D
     
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  10. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    If you'd bothered to read what I wrote properly, you'd have noticed that I said he was a great writer. He wrote some fantastic songs and yes basslines. That doesn't make him a great bass player anymore than it makes say Tchaikovsky a great violinist (I'm assuming he didn't play the violin for the sake of argument).
     
  11. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    There's an easy way to settle this: let me play bass for Mr Quincy Jones.

    Checkmate.
     
  12. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I certainly have no problem with Ringo, I was feeling sorry for him getting no love here.

    Anyway a lot of musicians will do some stuff I love and some stuff that I hate. And blessed are the few who avoid getting cheesy as they grow older. So I dont really believe in giving my impression of them as musicians much, unless other people are taking it seriously and trying to defend some mythical musical god in which case it is tempting to take the piss further.

    Its understandable, people love music, people want to talk about it, but its hard to do music itself justice with words and opinions and certainly not with silly interviews. So much of what has passed for marketing and music journalism is little more than pro wrestling promos with 'competing acts' slagging each other off for cheap heat, though I dont think its as bad now as it was during, say, all that cool britannia parping.
     
  13. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I'll have you know he was an exceptional violinist, and he reputation was not soiled even when one of his later groups involved his wife norma playing the eel-harp on stage to less than critical acclaim.
     
  14. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    :confused::D
     
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  15. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    Actually good lol? Tell me I am wrong? Tell me that he hasn't?

    Come on you know he is doing the 'for a famous bass player' thing. Maybe reaping a little revenge for just how hard everyone else had to work and how fucking great they had to be to get a look in back then... . Quincy has had a lucky/charmed path as compared to others....that said the Beatles were believed to shit rainbows :D and didn't need to be an ounce of actually good comparatively.
     
  16. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Stanley Clarke acknowledged Paul McCartney as was one of the first melodic bass players. I think I'll take his word for his competency over yours :D
     
  17. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I assume you were confused only because I accidentally typed normal instead of norma when first composing my revelation.
     
  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Well apart from writing some of the most famous and most popular songs in the world and remaining one of the most influential bands in the universe.
     
  19. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    You're quite right.
    I would expect no less. You're essentially saying because he was popular he was great at playing bass. I honestly don't care what so-called experts think.
     
  20. S☼I

    S☼I I don't want your poxy mint

    I meant that saying "actually good" is implying McCartney actually isn't, which anyone who's ever heard music would think is ridiculous. He's not maybe as skilled a musician as the umpteen million basses under their chins session blokes Quincy has met but he's not the worst bassist ever.
     
  21. RainbowTown

    RainbowTown Well-Known Member

    For a long time Ringo had a bum deal as regards his contribution to The Beatles sound (ie the old quip he wasn't even the best drummer in the group). However, though he was no powerhouse, in your face drummer like Keith Moon or John Bonham, critical consensus has thankfully come round to his side. Personally, his drumming on some of the early Beatles stuff I love and his work on Tomorrow Never Knows is brilliant. He's not flashy, sure, but he's a totally integral part to what made The Beatles what they were. Just like Macca's basslines.
     
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  22. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    As regards the Beatles, my take is that they were a great example of the sum being much greater than the parts. None of them were outstanding musicians in a technical sense, but the combination of their individual and collective contributions was something new and exciting. Plus they wrote some classic tunes.
     
  23. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    Yeah cos that is/was all about their musical talent/genius? Really Ed? With all the things you know about the music Industry past and present that seems a poor claim to me.
     
  24. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    If their success wasn't due to their exceptional talent and exceptional songwriting, then what was it down to?
     
  25. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    Plus unprecedented PR/marketing/acceptability/styling etc... Best band ever? Ermmm. No.
     
  26. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    If it was all down to PR/marketing/acceptability/styling - which is obviously wasn't given the highly individual path they took with their songwriting - they would hardly have retained their popularity decades after they split it.

    The PR industry was in its infancy back then, but there's a good reason why the Beatles remain phenomenally popular today and that's down to their songs, not what shirts they were wearing in 1964.
     
  27. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Scum with no integrity, apparently.

    Stop putting words into my mouth. I haven't said 'just' down to anything. I'm just not towing the genius line...they weren't the only ones writing good songs...they were also the acceptable face of popular music, they got ahead and coverage because of this...that doesn't equal genius by a long shot.
     
  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    You're quite wrong to claim it was 'unprecedented PR/marketing/acceptability/styling ' by the way. The Beatles were pretty much affected by all of that once they stopped performing live and what was around during the start of their career was positively naive and minimal compared to the vast industry that exists now. And even with today's extra-refined, hyper-targeted marketing, bands can swiftly be forgotten after having unheard amounts of money spent on them.

    Like I said, after all the bullshit it's the songs that remain. If people are still singing a huge amount of them nearly half a century after the band stopped existing, then the quality of their songwriting really can't be questioned.
     
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  29. seeformiles

    seeformiles Lost in the wood

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  30. seeformiles

    seeformiles Lost in the wood

    I just took delivery of the 2017 remix of Sgt Pepper and Ringo is the real star.
     

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