ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Nonsense. He "had his mortgage paid for him" whilst having to pay rent to pay someone else's mortgage. He is not a BTL landlord and he needs somewhere to live too.
Quick landlord query
- Thread starter HackneyE9
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Er...I've been renting my place out whilst working abroad, renting someone else's flat. Not BTL scumbaggery involved. It's barely covered my mortgage as it is, and this guy has tried to hit me for 1000 of furniture he, for some reason, has bought for himself.
I'm saying they can all leave early, or they can all stay to the finishing date. That seems very reasonable to me. What I can't do is have nowhere to live myself whilst one guy pays one third of the rent for two weeks.
Anyway, thanks for all the other more useful tips.
The advice on the thread is correct, as it's within the fixed period, the third tenant cannot be simply be expected to leave early even if the landlord and all the other tenants want him to.
If the tenants want to leave early, there may very well be a 'tenant's break clause' in the contract which will allow them to do so regardless of the landlord's wishes. However, to activate this during the fixed period, all the tenants will need to agree. After the fixed period, any tenant giving notice will end the tenancy.
I've occasionally had to pay double rent on the changeover periods - it's just tough but the way it is. Presumably, the two that want to leave early might be able to offer the third some cash to do the same, if I was in their position that's what I would be thinking. If they would save 4 weeks' rent between them if they left early, well they could offer the third guy 1 or even 2 and come out saving.
It's their problem!
If the tenants want to leave early, there may very well be a 'tenant's break clause' in the contract which will allow them to do so regardless of the landlord's wishes. However, to activate this during the fixed period, all the tenants will need to agree. After the fixed period, any tenant giving notice will end the tenancy.
I've occasionally had to pay double rent on the changeover periods - it's just tough but the way it is. Presumably, the two that want to leave early might be able to offer the third some cash to do the same, if I was in their position that's what I would be thinking. If they would save 4 weeks' rent between them if they left early, well they could offer the third guy 1 or even 2 and come out saving.
It's their problem!
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I think that's entirely reasonable.
Of course the two who want to leave early might not be happy about the prospect of having to continue to pay rent while their housemate carries on living there by himself, but that's not your problem. It's theirs.
You've agreed in principle. But they can't agree to all do the same thing. That's not your problem, that's theirs.
You rented out the whole place to them, you're entitled to the whole rent from them, for the whole duration of the contract.
And if I were you, I'd charge the tw@t for damaging your property, for damaging the floorboards - are you going to have to have them resealed/revarnished or whatever when the carpet comes up? And as for him painting the whole room without your permission, again, he should pay for paint and labour to reinstate the room to its original colour.
Chester Copperpot
Triple stones
I think you're being really harsh here. What if you owned a house and had to move away because of work or maybe family illness? You found you were unable to sell as the market was collapsing. Would you consider renting your house to save it from being repossessed? Not saying this is the case but it could be.
Maybe the OP should have let people live there for free instead? Or even just left it empty. They didn't force these people to rent their house and 'pay their mortgage for free', the tenants wanted to live there and the OP wanted to rent it.
Not really very fair to stick the boot in just because someone rents out a property when you know none of the circumstances behind the decision to rent it IMO.
Thanks. Also for "come unstuck due to unforseen circumstances", read "went on a wild spending spree, tried to get the landlord to pay for it, and is now claiming to be skint."
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
the bloke doe ssound like a twat tbh but then thems the dice when you take the landlord role.
also lbj is not saying to let people live in the house for free, just have a bit of compassion as it's only a couple of weeks.
but again thems the dice when you take the landlord role, no compassion.
oh and poor people who's property prices are coming down to a more realistic level from the over inflated madness we've had for years and from which they've proffited <yawn>
also lbj is not saying to let people live in the house for free, just have a bit of compassion as it's only a couple of weeks.
but again thems the dice when you take the landlord role, no compassion.
oh and poor people who's property prices are coming down to a more realistic level from the over inflated madness we've had for years and from which they've proffited
<yawn>
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
If he was a BTL landlord I'd agree. But he's not - he's renting from someone else until he moves back into his house. He's happy to save them cash by moving back in early - but they're asking him to fork out for an extra 2 weeks rent of his own in order to save them 1.3 weeks rent. That sucks.
snadge
metal alchemist
I can't see the problem here, the bloke may have been a dick but you can't expect him to pay rent for the other 2 because he won't move out before his contract is up.
It is a cheeky scam introduced to protect landlords income, I bought a house and when I moved out of my rented flat, the landlord expected to be paid for the remaining 3 weeks of the contract even though he had had 5 months notice that I was going, I told him to fuck off.
It is a cheeky scam introduced to protect landlords income, I bought a house and when I moved out of my rented flat, the landlord expected to be paid for the remaining 3 weeks of the contract even though he had had 5 months notice that I was going, I told him to fuck off.
I like conflicting replies based on individual opinions 
Contract is in place
Some tentants ask to break the contract
Landlords agrees but all contracted parties need to leave
All tenants cannot agree
I fail to see the issue here?
Some posters think that as the poster is a (temporary whilst working abroad) landlord he must be greedy, rich and should subsidise other people.
Contract is in place
Some tentants ask to break the contract
Landlords agrees but all contracted parties need to leave
All tenants cannot agree
I fail to see the issue here?
Some posters think that as the poster is a (temporary whilst working abroad) landlord he must be greedy, rich and should subsidise other people.
snadge
metal alchemist
more like.
contract is in place.
Landlord asks tenants if they fancy moving out early cos' landlord wants to move back in, 2 agree, 1 doesn't.
Landlord winges cos' they are going to lose out on 2/3rds of the rent now and asks what they can do so they are not out of pocket.
FUCK ALL or charge the other 2 for the full contract
contract is in place.
Landlord asks tenants if they fancy moving out early cos' landlord wants to move back in, 2 agree, 1 doesn't.
Landlord winges cos' they are going to lose out on 2/3rds of the rent now and asks what they can do so they are not out of pocket.
FUCK ALL or charge the other 2 for the full contract
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You might want to reread the OP.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Is that what I said? No. I said give the guy a break and let him stay for a couple of weeks.
Don't misrepresent other posters - read what they write and respond to that, please.
It's hilarious how some people see the word 'landlord' and start frothing at the mouth. I guess I feel the same way about BTL landlords. But let me recap - I got a job abroad and had to move abroad. It would be bonkers to sell the house in a falling market and when I might need it again pretty soon anyway, so I rented out my house - the rent covers the mortgage, just. I work full time to pay the rent on the flat abroad. I don't own any other property - this is my roof over my head, not an investment. I've never been a landlord before and am not doing it out of choice or to make a quick buck.
I come back - one tenant has bought a load of furniture and is trying to claim more than 1k for it. I tell him to fuck off. The other two want to move out early. Rather than telling them to fuck off and make them stay till the end, I say ok. Now the first one is insisting on staying to the end.
I suggest to the LBJ and the other misguided 'bleeding hearts/ give the guy a break', they can PM me the missing £400 or so, because I certainly can't afford not to have it. Or take this guy in their spare room.
I come back - one tenant has bought a load of furniture and is trying to claim more than 1k for it. I tell him to fuck off. The other two want to move out early. Rather than telling them to fuck off and make them stay till the end, I say ok. Now the first one is insisting on staying to the end.
I suggest to the LBJ and the other misguided 'bleeding hearts/ give the guy a break', they can PM me the missing £400 or so, because I certainly can't afford not to have it. Or take this guy in their spare room.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
If he didn't have a flat in the UK, he wouldn't be paying a mortgage as well as rent elsewhere - so you're actually talking about the tiny proportion of the capital that would have been paid off in that time. If accurately stated, that is a fair point.
I'm still not convinced that it justifies expecting him to magic a month's rent out of nowhere to make life more convenient for three strangers.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You first say that you agreed that they could move out two weeks early. Now you say that you cannot afford to lose the missing rent from the last two weeks. Which is it?
Both. I agreed they could _all_ leave two weeks early.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Did you read the OP?
He's moving back into the house. He cannot do so whilst they are still there. He has to pay rent to live elsewhere until they all move out. He agreed to move back early if they wanted to leave early - this costs him nothing and saves them 2 weeks rent each. Only two of them leaving early costs him their rent + his own rent for the period. He cannot afford that.
Because I've got a family and there isn't room for all of us. Let alone sharing your house with some stranger who's just tried to rip you off for £1000.
It's amazing - I start threads on RFK's assassination, or the death of Reagan's propaganda chief - not a fucking squeak.
I post up some dull, trivial problem with a tenant and the interweb melts down.
snadge
metal alchemist
How has he tried to rip you for £1000?
Chester Copperpot
Triple stones
Read post 7 onwards.
Is that close to Area 51?
snadge
metal alchemist
the furniture is immaterial to this enquiry, a quick "no chance" covers that.
that doesn't come across as ripping off, more of a chancer really.
the new carpet will not have damaged the original floor.
I don't see the problem here at all, Hackney wants it both ways and can't get it so is having a winge.
they are taking a "landlords" stance over this, they fucked up agreeing that the other 2 could move out early and now that decision has bit them.
they have 2 choices, move back in fwith the remaining tenant for the fortnight which would be what I would do or take it on the chin.
Yes they have said they are a family but FFS it is only a fortnight.
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