Questions to the lefty types

[_angel_]

poor=lowlife in derf world. Is that how he sees the majority of the third world then?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Odd you should mention that. That was a result of poor lawmaking and no supervision of the workhouse masters. Still we could always have a go at prosecuting his family if there are any living relatives after the best part of 200 years. Maybe we could get his great great great grandson to apologise for his ancestors actions in shagging the female poor and giving them sod all grub.

Still the principle is sound. If we took the poor and the low life off the streets, gave them productive work and a place to live we could get them back into general society.

You reply shows that:

1. you research has been cursory - think scale, spread and duration of such abuses;
2. you have no appreciation of what the work house test and the principle of less eligibility actually involved - think effect on families and relative deprivation in an economy where low wages were insufficient to keep people out of poverty;
3. your initial attack on the Dickens account of the workhouse was wrong, but you don' have the honesty to admit it.

Have another better informed go - Louis MacNeice

 

[danny la rouge]

You reply shows that:

1. you research has been cursory - think scale, spread and duration of such abuses;
2. you have no appreciation of what the work house test and the principle of less eligibility actually involved - think effect on families and relative deprivation in an economy where low wages were insufficient to keep people out of poverty;
3. your initial attack on the Dickens account of the workhouse was wrong, but you don' have the honesty to admit it.

Have another better informed go - Louis MacNeice

AND that he thinks "poor" and "low life" don't do what he terms "productive work".

As somebody earning well below the national average wage, and in receipt of family tax credit (don't get me started...), and in fuel poverty, I probably count as "poor" (I don't give a fuck whether he thinks I'm "low life"). I do, however, work.

 

[lights.out.london]

You might want to research 'the Andover Workhouse Scandal' before you talk any more rubbish.

Louis MacNeice

 

[audiotech]

Still the principle is sound. If we took the poor and the low life off the streets, gave them productive work and a place to live we could get them back into general society.

Ironically, that was one of the principle aims of the gulag system.

Most who ended in this system however were ordinary workers imprisoned for crimes such as unexcused absences from work and petty theft.

So, if you start off with some brainless idea similar to the gulags you end up with a massive, unproductive, prison population with a massive, unproductive, bureaucracy running it.

 

[derf]

poor=lowlife in derf world. Is that how he sees the majority of the third world then?

Poor does not equal lowlife.
The fact that someone is poor in no stops them being good people.
Lazy and lowlife go together.

 

[derf]

Here's another one. I mentioned a family that has just got a fat pile of cash and blown the lot in a week. Now one of the sons has crashed one of the bikes writing it off and doing himself a load of expensive damage. Broken bones and the like. They saved no money and can't afford the hospital bills so he's sitting at home with no medical care. The family are asking for cash to help him but no one is stumping up as they are all pissed off at them wasting more than most in the village will ever see.
Should I get my wallet out and be the nice guy or do as I am doing and keeping the cash in my pocket with a thought of fuck the idiot?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Here's another one. I mentioned a family that has just got a fat pile of cash and blown the lot in a week. Now one of the sons has crashed one of the bikes writing it off and doing himself a load of expensive damage. Broken bones and the like. They saved no money and can't afford the hospital bills so he's sitting at home with no medical care. The family are asking for cash to help him but no one is stumping up as they are all pissed off at them wasting more than most in the village will ever see.
Should I get my wallet out and be the nice guy or do as I am doing and keeping the cash in my pocket with a thought of fuck the idiot?

No there should be free access to health care at the time of need, funded through progressive taxation on incomes. Now about the workhouse test and the principle of less eligibility, what were your thoughts?

Louis MacNeice

 

[derf]

No there should be free access to health care at the time of need, funded through progressive taxation on incomes. Now about the workhouse test and the principle of less eligibility, what were your thoughts?

Louis MacNeice

Fact is that however much you would like free care it isn't available so that's out of the question and even if it was the people here don't ear anything like enough to pay taxes anyway so all you would do is put all the burden on companies and a very few rich people. Given that this country is trying it's best to attract foreign business the government is hardly likely to impose massive taxation on them. All that would happen is these companies would go to other countries taking the jobs and income with them.

Si if the same was true in the UK and the guys next door just got a few million and blew it in a week would you take them out for dinner when they were hungry next month?
I would tell them to go fuck themselves.