Question Time: Griffin Vs ? - A Poll
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He is quality.
I did used to listen to him on "Talk Sport." radio.The only reason for tuning into that nasty station.
Many callers would qualify their statement with "I don't always agree with you George but on this one......"
He has complained,rightly so in my opinion,about not being given air time on QT,
esp whenever the Israelis launch an offensive.
However i originally suggested Shami Chakrabati and voted for her.
The two combined would be great.
Bet George would flirt with her.
Galloway for me. He is one of the fastest thinking orators for me and many have underestimated his knowledge of history and current affairs to their own demise.
He would, in my opinion, gently remove the outer shell of this BNP leader to expose the true innards whilst maintaining his intergrity.
He would, in my opinion, gently remove the outer shell of this BNP leader to expose the true innards whilst maintaining his intergrity.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
The votes for Galloway are wasted. You're bringing in the man who's put down pretty much the best of the best and wheeled him in to trounce some bigotted fool. NG's not even articulate to warrant any respect from GG let alone enough to put up any kind of fight against him.
Any genuine political heavyweight would be wasted and merely struggle to not patronise the chap. GG, or even Claire Short for that matter, would just end up ignoring the nonsense he came out with and just ask for the next question to be hurried.
I'll throw what I can only see as the obvious answeer, and that's Will Self. NG would hang himself easily enough so the battles already won with most folk, I'd just like to see WS finish him off and at least we'd all get a lovely bit of entertainment behind it.
Any genuine political heavyweight would be wasted and merely struggle to not patronise the chap. GG, or even Claire Short for that matter, would just end up ignoring the nonsense he came out with and just ask for the next question to be hurried.
I'll throw what I can only see as the obvious answeer, and that's Will Self. NG would hang himself easily enough so the battles already won with most folk, I'd just like to see WS finish him off and at least we'd all get a lovely bit of entertainment behind it.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Mr Galloway's a rhetorical brawler, and is good on the bombast, but he's far from being the best of the best. His appearance before a Senate committee went downhill fast when he was faced with awkward questions about oil dealing (and he made some howlers, like accusing a Democrat who voted against Iraq of supporting the war).
Likewise he was taken to pieces on Have I Got News For You, notably when he moaned, "Actually, Saddam hated me," when they played the indefatigablity clip. Quick as a flash, Mr Hislop's in with, "So would I if you were crawling up my arse like that."
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Fits the bill for me.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Mr Galloway's a rhetorical brawler, and is good on the bombast, but he's far from being the best of the best. His appearance before a Senate committee went downhill fast when he was faced with awkward questions about oil dealing (and he made some howlers, like accusing a Democrat who voted against Iraq of supporting the war).
Likewise he was taken to pieces on Have I Got News For You, notably when he moaned, "Actually, Saddam hated me," when they played the indefatigablity clip. Quick as a flash, Mr Hislop's in with, "So would I if you were crawling up my arse like that."
But that's just Hislop being a twat. Always struck me as the annoying kid at the back of the classroom being naughty and depserate for attention. Takes the piss out of everything but never amounts to much himself. Just a shame IH has bucked the trend and made a career out of it!
eta: The post I quoted was no 9666666. How's about that?!
Silver_Fox
New Member
Hislop is a little shit.
Still can't see anyone suggesting anyone better than Serwotka or Crowe.
Still can't see anyone suggesting anyone better than Serwotka or Crowe.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
From the patrician populist right hezza might do a good job - not that a 'victory' for him on the night would really be anything to get excited about. more depressing than anything else.
Spion
I hear ya
Heseltine? You baffle me
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Perhaps, but Mr Galloway left himself open for it. I'm sure Mr Griffin could find plenty of dirt to throw at him if they were plonked opposite one another on Question Time. Since Mr Galloway is notoriously litigious, I'll just say that his dismal Parliamentary attendance figures would be a place to start.
Silver_Fox
New Member
I don't think a defeat for Griffin from a right wing figure would be good for the working class, so not sure it's worth suggesting right wing figures to take him on.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Nothing in this world would do more for the BNP cause that to have Bob Crowe argue against them. Nothing in the world.
Unless you meant Russel, which doesn't seem too ridiculous on the face of it...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why do you say that?
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
As someone who traditionally comes from the polar opposite political viewpoint of GG, I would say he's a chuffing good sport from going on the show against him tbf.
(Not so much the cat leotard in BB though)
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Picture the thousands of far-to-mid right wingers seeing NG at a platform that least makes hinm look like racist vermin vs "the cunt wot shuts our tubes".
I know what side my, say, Grandparents would be on, sadly.
Silver_Fox
New Member
But the fact is that is we are going to have to beat Griffin using pro-working class arguments. It might not convince Tories but it's the basis we have to work from.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think that's crude stereotyped nonsense tbh. The way to undercut the BNP is to deal with the issues that the BNP are relying on to produce their support - social issues - those voters are not neccesarily all right-wingers, as these conditions have most impact in working class areas - in old labour areas. Just tally the seats they've won with who they've won them from - it's about 75-80% labour IIRC
Bob Crow would (hopefully) deal with those social issues head on and demonstrate that the BNP have no adequate plans to deal with them. That said, from when he appeared on newsnight to discuss the BNP he appeared to have been briefed by HnH and stuck to the old holocaust, racism etc approach. The tube strikes have been pretty solidly supported as well haven't they?
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
I certainly agree that the way to undercut the bnp is through debate, but do you really think Bob Crowe is popular with working class people and that they support the tube strikes?
He may be popular with some of us on here, but let's face it, he ain't popular amongst potential bnp voters. There are countless numbers of people other than Bob Crowe who could deal with the social issues whilst confronting the bnp head on.
He may be popular with some of us on here, but let's face it, he ain't popular amongst potential bnp voters. There are countless numbers of people other than Bob Crowe who could deal with the social issues whilst confronting the bnp head on.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I wasn't really suggesting that the way to undercut them was through debate - it's not. What i said was suggesting is that dealing with those social isues will undercut them and unions should be better placed to do that from the left than politicians and other establishment figures. Issues of social protection is what the BNP are largely picking up votes on -unions (larger problems aside for now) have been set up for the social protection of the working class. Unions are still, even after 30 years of relentless attacks on them, still by far the largest political type organisations in the country - there's ceratinly something about their brand of social protection that's popular amongst the w/c, and this appeal is one appeal is one area that the BNP can be attacked from the left. Don't make the mistake of thinking all BNP voters are ideological right wingers and opposed to unions.
Who are you suggesting then
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
It's difficult. I must admit I will always assume most BNP supporters are a few right angles short of a Swatstika, so looking for someone who has an entertaining, as well as authoritative and knowledgeable, style to his oration, and that's Nigel Furrage. consider the flack he opens himself up to, and maybe it's just me, but he does seem to come across consistently well, and certainly not as annoying as his accent would allude to.
I'd save the Galloways and the Benn's (health permitting) of this life until Daniel Hannan or a Douglas Murray type comes on again.
I'd save the Galloways and the Benn's (health permitting) of this life until Daniel Hannan or a Douglas Murray type comes on again.
It really is sad that you think any of those3 would be good against Griffin. He would just love to come up against any of those.
gosub
~#
Tory's should put up David Davis or even Dan Hannan, someone for the libertarian end of their party anyway, who can spout forth on a verity of areas of policy -having had 'discussions' with BNP activists in the past
was actually amazed at the amount of areas race interceeds)
-leave Griffen to drag it up, but want Davis for a National ID cards question-what is an acceptable price?
Agreeing with previous posters, who the right puts up isn't as important as the left; election votes and leaked membership lists point squarely at the BNP feeding off what is left of old Labour, interesting that few champions seem to spring to mind, as Cruddas asked tonight ‘what does Labour stand for any more?’. Hope somebody has some idea after party conference season
ETA
was actually amazed at the amount of areas race interceeds) -leave Griffen to drag it up, but want Davis for a National ID cards question-what is an acceptable price?Agreeing with previous posters, who the right puts up isn't as important as the left; election votes and leaked membership lists point squarely at the BNP feeding off what is left of old Labour, interesting that few champions seem to spring to mind, as Cruddas asked tonight ‘what does Labour stand for any more?’. Hope somebody has some idea after party conference season
ETA
If want to give BNP an hour unopposed tv coverage then fuck you, if you want to instill provable political bias within the BBC by coming up with a seperate rule for a party with elected officials, then fuck you for fucking the BBC, if you want the BBC to create higher hurdles that the BNP needs to jump over(as would any other minority party), then fuck you for entrenching mainstream politics
If someone from Respect was on, I'd rather it were Salma Yacoub personally. GG has too much baggage with his links to Saddam (not that NG and the rest of the old NF didn't get cosy with Gaddafi in the 80s) abysmal attendance at the commons and the enduring images from Big Brother. this and the fact that GG's a bit old hat now and Salma is still a bit of an unknown with the wider public (plus she'd really piss him off) unfortunately, I've not seen her in action enough to know if she'd do any good against him, 
Mark Steel? not sure on that one, he seems the type that NG could sink his teeth into successfully
Mark Steel? not sure on that one, he seems the type that NG could sink his teeth into successfully
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