Question: is Redstar Camberwell...closed?

[bouncer_the_dog]

Did you go to Camberwell? What year?? I liked the 80's stuff they played up stairs.. used to go that all the time.

 

[dtb]

good riddance to the place if you ask me, was awful when it was running commercial cheese nights and not much better when it got turned into an 'underground' music venue

 

[zenie]

Did you go to Camberwell? What year?? I liked the 80's stuff they played up stairs.. used to go that all the time.

yer 99-02

good riddance to the place if you ask me, was awful when it was running commercial cheese nights and not much better when it got turned into an 'underground' music venue

 

[tarannau]

I'd agree with you on the first point - when it was one of Merritt's bars going there was somewhat akin to having a 5year old slab of gorgonzola thrust repeatedly shovelled in your face - but the Unsound nights in there could be outstanding.

Highly ranked bands, top djs, relaxed atmosphere, pub prices. What wasn't to like?

 

[milesy]

i went to the redstar a couple of times when it first opened, and had a whale of a time, both times one or the other of the jaxx boys were playing.

 

[citydreams]

maybe it will go back to being the Father Red Cap

The RedStar has a really interesting history...

"Almost inevitably the mushrooming of gay discos in the seventies led some police forces to attempt to seriously disrupt or at least inhibit new-found gay freedom. In 1974 the licensee and manager of the Father Redcap pub in Camberwell, South London were each fined £100 for permitting and abetting in running a 'disorderly house ' after the police had moved in to stop gay discos."
http://www.knittingcircle.org.uk/law.html

..anyone know if it is related to the Mother Red Cap in Camden?

 

[editor]

I rember it would be college bar --> barbushka --> quick one in the funky monkey --> redstar --> that kebab shop.

I was at Camberwell too, 94-97. I've lectured there a couple of times since too.

 

[DeadManWalking]

..anyone know if it is related to the Mother Red Cap in Camden?

No relation, I'm pretty sure.

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

I was at Camberwell too, 94-97. I've lectured there a couple of times since too.

I hope you are in the prospectus as an alumini!

I was 98-01 so the year above Zenie.. </slight sense of superiority>

I used to go to all the Camberwell Pubs.. is the Sun and Dove's still going? I practically lived in the beer garden there for the summer of '00 ah the memories...

It got to the point in my third year of saying 'not the Redstar..AGAIN'... ended up going to living bar instead.. vive la differance..

 

[Dubversion]

good riddance to the place if you ask me, was awful when it was running commercial cheese nights and not much better when it got turned into an 'underground' music venue

well thanks for that

 

[sam/phallocrat]

innit, one of the most worthwhile contributions I've ever read

 

[mark dodds]

I hope you are in the prospectus as an alumini!

I was 98-01 so the year above Zenie.. </slight sense of superiority>

I used to go to all the Camberwell Pubs.. is the Sun and Dove's still going? I practically lived in the beer garden there for the summer of '00 ah the memories...

It got to the point in my third year of saying 'not the Redstar..AGAIN'... ended up going to living bar instead.. vive la differance..

Bit of a late response to this admittedly but anything to enlighten the innocent pub going public who by and large are unaware of the #GreatBritishPubcoScam: The Sun and Doves closed upon my eviction (I was the lessee from 1995) in September 2011 - after a protracted rent review with Scottish & Newcastle Pub Company (Freehold owned by RBS) where I ended up losing the rent review owing the pubco and RBS £150K back rent and legal costs...


Put simply. Pub Companies are asset stripping the national pub estate, running pubs into the ground through decades of chronic underinvestment on the back of their misrepresenting tied pub leases as a 'low cost entry' into business. 'Low Cost Entry' is the lie. Everyone knows there's no such thing as a free lunch - investment needs to be made in order to generate returns. Lack of investment leads to business failure. A cycle of business failure leads to pubs being so run down they cease to be fit for purpose, customers abandon them and eventually no more potential lessees can be fooled into thinking they can make a success out of the dilapidated hulk the pubco is marketing - at which point the pub is flogged for alternative use, the market having 'proven it to be sadly no longer economically viable' (pubco spokespersons always say 'sadly' about the disposal of a pub, they don't actually give a F - flogging pubs for cash is their stock in trade).

If you want to know more follow this link to a video made in 2012 by CAMRA which goes some way to explain what is going on with the majority of UK pubs.

By the way - Dave Mountford who features in this video had just taken on a free of tie lease at the Boat Inn, Cromford - some of the recording was done at the pub's opening night. Having been fleeced by Punch Taverns at his previous pub up the road the Boat was a new opportunity. The Boat Inn was ex Punch Taverns and flogged off as no longer economically viable (it is an AMAZING setting and obviously a dead ringer for a busy pub, if set up and run well). A local bought the pub from Punch then rented it to Dave. It had been closed for four months. That was five years ago to the day (18 March) - since it reopened under Dave and Lorraine's tenure the pub has thrived. Free from the death grip of the pubco now it's a thriving, busy financially successful pub.

 

[editor]

Worra bump!

 

[lefteri]

Coincidentally I walked past last night and there was a party going on in there - Is this a regular occurrence?

 

[ska invita]

I rember it would be college bar --> barbushka --> quick one in the funky monkey --> redstar --> that kebab shop.

Nice to see that not only is Bolu still going, but its had a bit of a refit...theyve even got their own website!
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I remember getting pissed in that little back room a few times after everything else had shut

 

[rubbershoes]

Bit of a late response to this admittedly but anything to enlighten the innocent pub going public who by and large are unaware of the #GreatBritishPubcoScam: The Sun and Doves closed upon my eviction (I was the lessee from 1995) in September 2011 - after a protracted rent review with Scottish & Newcastle Pub Company (Freehold owned by RBS) where I ended up losing the rent review owing the pubco and RBS £150K back rent and legal costs...


Put simply. Pub Companies are asset stripping the national pub estate, running pubs into the ground through decades of chronic underinvestment on the back of their misrepresenting tied pub leases as a 'low cost entry' into business. 'Low Cost Entry' is the lie. Everyone knows there's no such thing as a free lunch - investment needs to be made in order to generate returns. Lack of investment leads to business failure. A cycle of business failure leads to pubs being so run down they cease to be fit for purpose, customers abandon them and eventually no more potential lessees can be fooled into thinking they can make a success out of the dilapidated hulk the pubco is marketing - at which point the pub is flogged for alternative use, the market having 'proven it to be sadly no longer economically viable' (pubco spokespersons always say 'sadly' about the disposal of a pub, they don't actually give a F - flogging pubs for cash is their stock in trade).

If you want to know more follow this link to a video made in 2012 by CAMRA which goes some way to explain what is going on with the majority of UK pubs.

By the way - Dave Mountford who features in this video had just taken on a free of tie lease at the Boat Inn, Cromford - some of the recording was done at the pub's opening night. Having been fleeced by Punch Taverns at his previous pub up the road the Boat was a new opportunity. The Boat Inn was ex Punch Taverns and flogged off as no longer economically viable (it is an AMAZING setting and obviously a dead ringer for a busy pub, if set up and run well). A local bought the pub from Punch then rented it to Dave. It had been closed for four months. That was five years ago to the day (18 March) - since it reopened under Dave and Lorraine's tenure the pub has thrived. Free from the death grip of the pubco now it's a thriving, busy financially successful pub.

Pub companies are really property businesses that sell beer as a sideline

 

[editor]

It's hard to recognise the Red Star from this video showing the venue in its current guise as Planet Nollywood. Not sure what the handing out cash bit at 17:41 is about but I'd love it if people showered me with cash when I was on stage




Although this video has a bit of the zip of the old venue!

 

[JuanTwoThree]

Nice to see that not only is Bolu still going, but its had a bit of a refit...theyve even got their own website!
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I remember getting pissed in that little back room a few times after everything else had shut

An excellent restaurant behind a kebab takeaway in Camberwell, with Buzbag and other Turkish wines. It may still be there: Bolo's Bulo's ?