Can you have rape without having sex? I think not. QED, non?
Quarter of men in South Africa admit rape, survey finds
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Can you have rape without having sex? I think not. QED, non?
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
You can have sex without sexual desire though. I've read about rapists who go and rape some random woman after becoming depressed and having their marriages break down, having blazing arguments with their wives etc, and some guy who did it to his future mother in law after she (allegedly) came out with loads of racist remarks and told him that she was not going to let him marry his gf because he was a different colour - to me that is a pretty clear indication that rape is about anger (in many cases) rather than wanting to have sex with someone in a normal setting, because if you were that angry with someone and didn't find them physically attractive you wouldn't want to have sex with them normally
A man can't get an erection without sexual desire.
I fear the unpalatable truth is that, for some men, sex is about anger.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
The reaosns for people having sex and rape are completely different
As a general rule people don't have consenting sex with each other "to teach them a lesson" or to "put them in their place" for wearing "revealing clothes" which sound like non sexual motivations to me
Logical fallacy. To rape is to have sex. No sex: no rape. Therefore the reasons for the two acts cannot be completely different.
And to me too. Unfortunately however they do not sound that way to rapists. To rapists they sound like sexual motivations.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
I'm really not sure I buy that ... what about rapists during war, etc? In that case it seems to be more about humilation rather than wanting to have sex with someone. People who rape someone for bullying them at school, or because they remind them of their mothers, or got a promotion instead of them, or because they were late home from work and wouldn't do the washing up, because they are a "fat bitch", or because the victims are richer and drive an expensive car that the rapist would like to own, or because they are poorer and therefore the rapist looks down on them and thinks they are worthless "chavs", on and on and on. I'm sorry but these aren't anything to do with sex, maybe in a rapists' mind they could become equated with sex, but IMO it stems from things that are nothing to do with sex in the first place and more about the self esteem of the rapist and their feelings of entitlement/insecurity and a desire to control other people.
But for a rapist, wanting to have sex with someone is the same as wanting to humiliate them.
Women never understand this, which is one among many reasons why they are much nicer than men. No wonder we like them.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
As much as some of Europe seems to be archaic at times... There are aspects of civilisation that central europeans and some of ther Americas have civilised laws that although may not be a deterrent.. have the powers to arrest and prosecute offenders..
DownwardDog wrote
Exactly.. The current rape laws in this country still need work and those raped need an ability to state their case... Those that abuse the system here do seem to get found out as there are specialist lawful authorities to make a case.. I cannot imagine living in a country where rape victims are a part of society and thats their lot..
I've had to make a complaint an my case was heard and prosecuted... Imagine just having to put up with that kind of abuse and having no lawful protection.....
((((shudders))))
DownwardDog wrote
Exactly.. The current rape laws in this country still need work and those raped need an ability to state their case... Those that abuse the system here do seem to get found out as there are specialist lawful authorities to make a case.. I cannot imagine living in a country where rape victims are a part of society and thats their lot..
I've had to make a complaint an my case was heard and prosecuted... Imagine just having to put up with that kind of abuse and having no lawful protection.....
((((shudders))))
DownwardDog
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Surely if you put British men in the same social and legal context as South African men they'll be just as similarly disposed to a bit of part time rape?
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
That's completely different from saying that if rape was almost never prosecuted (which it is) and rapists faced no social sanctions then everyone would be doing it. And not every SA man is doing it anyway.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
It's a good job I didn't say that then.
What I said was:
i.e. If the consequences of rape were as minimal as they appear to be in South Africa then a similar proportion (not all) of men in Britain would behave in the same way as the South Africans.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
I don't buy that myself, as the consequences of rape usually are pretty minimal, since there is only a tiny chance tha t the case will even go to court in the first place. There's something else going on over there - the psychological/social/historical etc context
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Really? How? Physically impossible I'd have thought. Got any more info on this?
Well that is what you're saying. You are suggesting that the reason guys don't rape as much here is because of the potential consequences to themselves.
As Frogwoman points out, that is a different assertion to your second which was that putting men here in the same "social and legal context" would increase incidents of rape, which is entirely different though somewhat more sensible.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
But that wasn't what FW said I said.
I think we'll all just have to agree it's all Verwoerd's fault.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
You can generally rely on the Russians to set the pace with any manner of sexual deviancy.
http://www.mosnews.com/weird/2009/06/18/blackwidow/
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Three_women_abduct_rape_man_in_Karachi/articleshow/4067214.cms
Given that it's "the Times of India" I dont know how accurate this is mind ...
Given that it's "the Times of India" I dont know how accurate this is mind ...
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
fuck, sorry to hear about that
i cant imagine it either, it says a lot for how fucked up we are as a species tbh that so many countries of the world are still like that.
An interesting thing, where the personal is made political, and a war crime.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
one of the victimns “It was great,” the unnamed man said.
“I like hot women. I only wish she hadn't use the clonidine on me.”
one of the reasons doing a masters in masculinity is a waste of time a gcse possilby
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