Qatar World Cup: £3m payments to officials' corruption claim

Discussion in 'football' started by editor, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    I mean.. they could always do an England and Ireland World Cup. But it'd just bee a shame not to use the Millennium Stadium and it'd no doubt it'd cause resentment from non hosting nations which then fuels political nationalist sentiment. My idea is part based on a hippy love in between the UK and Ireland after years of domestic rivalries but also in a practical argument that we have some of the best stadia in the world between us.
     
  2. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    England and Wales (or 'The People's Republic of the Southern Britain' (PRSB) as it will officially be called) can co-host it.
     
  3. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Has Step Ladder made a statement yet?
    Platini has hardly covered himself with glory either :facepalm:

    Is there anyone out there that could STEP UP as president and turn this around?

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. Maurice Picarda

    Maurice Picarda Actually, might as well flounce.

    Greater Middlesex will have easily enough stadia and there will be no need to share with the lesser English nations of Mercia and Northumbria.
     
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  5. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    I'd even go for England and Wales. It'd be a massive win for Wales of course but they could use Cardiff and the Liberty (Liberty is a bit small though? maybe a couple of group games would be ok) and of course the Millennium.
     
  6. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    tbf Cardiff would be a bit small too. :D

    They could just use the Millennium again and again and again.

    What idiot called it the Millennium Stadium? Sounds dated already, as we always knew it would.
     
  7. strung out

    strung out (",)

    Russia are hosting in 2018
     
  8. Maurice Picarda

    Maurice Picarda Actually, might as well flounce.

    You're quite right, and there's nothing to stop a joint Manx/Rockall bid in 2030.
     
  9. souljacker

    souljacker 1, 2, 3, 4, let's have a thumb war

    Hold on, don't they still flog people on the Isle of Man? They can't have it.
     
  10. Silva

    Silva This went well.

    Blatter must go now. He may or may have not been directly involved in this, but all happened under his watch.
     
  11. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    In time perhaps it will come to sound historical.
     
  12. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    7 Kingdoms of Westeros. Bran the Builder better get cracking!
     
  13. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Whadya want, the Last Week Carpark? :mad:
     
  14. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    Sorry Ed, wasn't ignoring you. Work just got a bit busy for the last couple of hours.

    My initial post was in response to SpookyFrank's otherwise bang on list, on which he included:

    -Is the consumption of alcohol punishable by flogging in your country?

    By mentioning alcohol I took this comment to mean that, on this point, alcohol was the issue rather than the flogging. Now, for the avoidance of doubt and because this is the internet, I have no doubt s/he abhors flogging and all the other objectionable shite that goes on in Qatar. Also, as I said earlier I'm not defending the holding of the WC in Qatar. I'm not even all that keen on it being held in Russia, tbh.

    All that being said I see no reason why, should the situation arise in the future, that a 'dry' country which meets all the other criteria on the list shouldn't be allowed to host the World Cup. I obviously get that it might well be odd for tourists used to drink being an integral part of the match day experience, but isn't experiencing other footballing cultures part of attending matches in other countries?
     
  15. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I'm all for enjoying and respecting different cultures, but I'm not so sure what's so 'cultural' about not even being able to enjoy a drink in your hotel or anywhere else. That just seems somewhat oppressive.
     
  16. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    I think hotels do allow alcohol sales to non-Muslims fwiw.
     
  17. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Seems that rule is liable to change without notice and according to Amnesty International, in 2012 at least six foreign nationals were sentenced to floggings of either 40 or 100 lashes for drinking alcohol.
     
  18. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    No more cultural than our (as a society) refusal to allow people to smoke a spliff in their room I guess. Or any number of other intoxicating substances.

    *shrug*. It's all kind of a moot point atm anyway, cos I'm fucked if I can think of anywhere that is close to being where my hypothetical 'dry' country is. Give it twenty or thirty years maybe.
     
  19. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Yeah, but it's not such a big deal. I went to a 'dry' restaurant in Leyton recently. I was mildly put out for a minute on arriving at finding out that we couldn't bring booze in. They proceeded to serve us some of the best Indian food I've ever had - real fine dining, but at normal prices. And the place was full of families with kids on a Saturday night, which is unusual for Britain. I forgave them everything just for the food, tbh, but by the end, I was looking round and could understand why for people for whom drinking is not a part of their culture, not having others drinking around them might be appealing. From moaning at the start, I was won around by the end.

    Problem is, would you trust football fans not to go around the place being pissed after getting pissed in the hotel? Not sure I would. I wouldn't trust my(drunk)self not to. But to do so in a place where nobody gets drunk would be crass to say the least.
     
  20. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    I hear even Australians have been known to drink alcohol occasionally.
     
  21. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I say this as someone who likes getting drunk, particularly at cricket matches, but when I see Pakistani cricket supporters going bonkers and jumping and dancing around while still sober, I do wonder whether I'm a bit dependent on substances to do things I ought to be able to do anyway. :hmm:
     
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  22. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    From what I undestand there will be "fan zones" established where alcohol can be bought - this is from Wiki quoting via Hassan Abdulla al Thawadi, chief executive of the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup

    It all sounds a bit sanitised and crap though. Going all that way to experience stifling heat and the only place to have a drink being in designated "fan zones" or a hotel bar? fuck that for a laugh
     
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  23. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Sounds horrible. And separates off fans from the locals. Eurgh.
     
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  24. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    Whatever your thoughts on alcohol, I would hope it would be clear to any sensible person that flogging is worse than drinking.
     
  25. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    It would be about £10 a pint too. :D

    Not even joking about that. Bet it would be.

    I say 'would' because I don't think this is going to happen. Qatar 2022 is not going to happen.
     
  26. strung out

    strung out (",)

    Depends what you're into. Different strokes for different folks.
     
  27. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Here's the problem, though. The USA executes people and bombs places. China executes people by the hundreds. Britain invades countries. Russia kills hundreds of thousands in rebellious regions.

    Latin America is actually a pretty benign region today all things considered - some kind of democracy restored everywhere, the corrupt oligarchies' hold on political power finally broken, US domination lessened, don't invade anyone or bomb anyone or execute anyone. Actual socialists in power in places. The Uruguayan president is rather :cool: Most benign and progressive continent in the world now, perhaps.

    Where is the moral line in objections to countries hosting international competitions in which lots of countries that do questionable things participate? If a country is 'good' enough to enter a team, is it not also 'good' enough to host the thing? If not, isn't that in itself some form of hypocrisy?
     
  28. gabi

    gabi Banned Banned

    Lol. 'Pleasant?'

    I suppose everything is relative. Personally, grey skies 90% of the time and people whingeing about the heat when it hits 18 degrees isn't pleasant.
     
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  29. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    The trouble is that organisations like FIFA (and UEAFA and the IOC) have absolutely no accountability to anybody other than themselves. They make their own rules that inevtiablly breeds deep levels or corruption. With the amounts of money swilling around global sports events a situation like this was inevitable sooner or later.

    What does constrain them though is the wishes of the sponsors. The Qatar world cup 'brand' is rapidly becoming so toxic that pressure from sponsors (itself driven by mass popular revulsion) will hopefully result in it being scrapped.

    Ideally the national associations should start withdrawing from the fetid swamp of FIFA and set up a new world football body with proper rules and accountability.
     
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  30. likesfish

    likesfish an angry pretend soldier shooting at seagulls

    That was the great breacon drought when it stopped raining for 6 hours and the locals were getting ready with human sacrifices to appease the angry ball of fire in the sky*


    * or it might have been freeform jazz from the jazz festival one is a barbarous sound of people giving up all hope being lost and the others human sacrifice :)
     

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