Qatar World Cup: £3m payments to officials' corruption claim

Discussion in 'football' started by editor, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Good work by the Sunday Times. Time to give up on this stupid fucking idea and play the tournament somewhere more suitable.
    The Times also reports:
    *I can't link to the article because of their crappy paywall.
     
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  2. editor

    editor hiraethified

    More in the Guardian:
    http://www.theguardian.com/football...d-mohamed-bin-hammam-accused-further-payments
     
  3. Gingerman

    Gingerman Is a great bunch of lads.....

    If the latest allegations are proved to be true, Qatar must surely be stripped of the competition, which would also solve the 'problem' of a winter WC as well
     
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  4. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Sort of convenient all round!

    It was a fucking exceptionally stupid idea to award such a massive competition to such a ridiculously tiny country with an oppressive regime and an oppressive climate.
     
  5. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    I am shocked by this. Until now nobody would have guessed :(
     
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  6. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    It's difficult to know just how bad things would have to get to force them to change their decision. They're not exactly known for reversing their decisions and I'd imagine they will try to weather most problems in the hope that eventually people will get distracted by all the sparkly World Cup 'magic'.

    Yes, for most normal people a controversy such as this would necessitate action, but FIFA is not run by normal people.
     
  7. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    Brazil is quite large, isn't it?

    *doesn't even have a coat*
     
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  8. yield

    yield zero

    The timing of this seemed odd on BBC News last night being followed by a piece on the Qatari negotiated release of a US soldier.
    US soldier Bowe Bergdahl freed by Taliban in Afghanistan
    theguardian.com, Saturday 31 May 2014
     
  9. Gingerman

    Gingerman Is a great bunch of lads.....

    Should give it to Australia,a sports mad country with excellent facilities, plus it would be played in winter down under which would be beneficial to the players.
     
  10. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I say give it to Wales. We've got a far bigger population, pleasant summer climate, great transport, boozers galore and it's the nearest we'll ever get to seeing the competition.
     
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  11. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    It's alright saying the world cup shouldn't be awarded through bribery, but doesn't that mean they'll have to come up with some entirely new way of deciding it? :confused: All well and good saying you shouldn't be sending wheelbarrows of cash round, but what other way is there? Surely not merit? Yuck.
     
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  12. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Giggsy read your post and reached for the Grecian 2000.
     
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  13. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    It all looked so perfectly above board. They'd clearly done their reasearch on Qatar's bid as well as could be expected. I mean who could have known it would turn out that Qatar in July is about as suitable for football as the surface of Neptune, there's simply no way that kind of information would have been available to them when they accepted the bid.

    And Sepp Blatter is such a universally loved and admired figure as well.
     
  14. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    A quick checklist wouldn't hurt though.

    -Is your country a dictatorship?
    -Apart from the people who own European football teams, has anyone in your country ever heard of football before?
    -Is your country bigger than Dorset?
    -Can you build a stadium without several hundred migrant workers dying in the process?
    -Is the consumption of alcohol punishable by flogging in your country?
    -Is it physically possible to play football outdoors in Summer in your country?
     
  15. Gingerman

    Gingerman Is a great bunch of lads.....

    Be very surprised if it does take place in Qatar tbh, can't see the major football leagues being happy with a winter WC
     
  16. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    While the rest of your list is eminently sensible, I'm curious as to why this should be a consideration?
     
  17. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    Could be like the early world cups where large chunks of the footballing world don't bother to show up, but in these days of mahoosive corporate sponsorship that seems less likely.

    Still, at least we've got a world cup in the delightfully corruption-free nation of Russia to look forward to in the meantime.
     
  18. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    May effect sponsorship deals with Carlsberg. Also travelling football fans showing a propensity for intoxicating liquors is not entirely without historical precedent.
     
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  19. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    Doesn't mean it should be a consideration in choosing a host nation, imo.
     
  20. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    It does if you want to sell tickets.
     
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  21. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    I'm not really much of a watcher of world football politics. What would need to happen/who would need to take it up for a rerun of the voting to happen? Investigation and prosecution by the USA? Direct evidence that votes were changed as a result of corruption? There will be a lot of economic (and political) momentum behind the status quo in Qatar itself - along with legal challenges if buildings were abandoned. Also, a rerun would presumably force Blatter to retire early (though in the world of brass necks, he could end up presenting himself as the person rooting corruption out of football).

    Sorry, random musings. Basically, my ill informed guess is it will stay there unless Blatter and Quatar end up becoming very isolated.
     
  22. el-ahrairah

    el-ahrairah forward communism, forward gerbils!

    some top sarcasm on this thread! i have nothing more to add.
     
  23. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Yup, my ill infomred guess is very similar.

    The wisdom of ill-informed crowds! Upholding democracy since the Greeks!
     
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  24. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Every consideration should be given to the fans first.
     
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  25. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    If gay fans went to Australia there's be stuff like Prides and Mardi Gras to enjoy. Not sure when the annual prides are held in Qatar? :confused:
     
  26. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I don't think gay fans will be very welcome in lovely, tolerant Qatar.
     
  27. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    So, okay, I get the voting thing if we are not going to go with the tried and tested corruption method. You either go in a booth and draw cocks on your ballot or you ring a premium line number. But when do they go to the judges houses - and what the fuck does Craig Revel Horwood know about football?
     
  28. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    Western fans, presumably?

    I should be clear that I'm not defending the hosting of the WC in Qatar - as far as I can tell it has no real football culture beyond the buying of foreign clubs by billionaires. But a country with an established culture of playing and supporting football where the consumption of alcohol happens to be illegal* shouldn't be refused the opportunity to host the tournament just because some fans can't watch the game without a drink.

    It's all just a bit reminiscent of European supporters complaining about vuvuzelas.

    * I'm not even suggesting that such a place exists. And any such place would likely be opposable on other grounds anyway.
     
  29. editor

    editor hiraethified

    The vast majority of the fans from all across the world who will be shelling out a small fortune to follow their team. They've every right to expect a decent standard of food and refreshment on their travels.
     
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  30. The Boy

    The Boy danny la rouge is probably wrong.

    Why should western football fans have rights that are denied to local fans? Or indeed any other tourists for that matter?

    Obviously this is a hypothetical* discussion as I can't think of any country that falls into the "big on football, alcohol illegal" subset. But if such a place existed, I really, really fail to see why it should be a consideration. Anyone for whom it would be a deal breaker could stay at home and leave their seat to a local fan.

    *I initially typed hypodermic there. Probably an indication of how bored I am at work<
     

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