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The US leadership, whose pattern of behaviour extends beyond just this president. I think Russias imperatives are also more than just the cartoon characterization of Vladimir Putin as an individual for that matter.
Putin: Cold War 2?
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The US leadership, whose pattern of behaviour extends beyond just this president. I think Russias imperatives are also more than just the cartoon characterization of Vladimir Putin as an individual for that matter.
coley
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Don't think Putin wants any return to communism, but a return to being a 'superpower'? oh aye, I think that's a thought that keeps him warm at night.
And as Obama and the US seeks to become more isolationist Putin exploits their perceived weakness, a nibble here a nibble there
And while politicians and strategists might realise sanctions etc are having a real effect on Russia the perception to those who live on the margins of Russia are about the realities, that Russia can deploy force without a robust reaction from the west, red lines being redrawn etc.
Since 89 people have though of Russia as an empire that had become defunct, Putin sees an opportunity to revise that perception with little risk or cost to Russia or himself.
frogwoman
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https://easternprofiles.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/putin-critics-and-the-racist-discourse-on-ferguson/
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The article references The Menace of Unreality (produced by a think-tank with close ties to the National Endowment for Democracy) that talks about 'the Kremlins strategy of weaponizing information'. I reckon that term is itself a "weaponization of..." well, not really information as such... Anyway, the internet and the media are full of weaponized thought if you ask me, for the most part aimed eastward (and far-eastward).
That aside, the main thrust of the article in frogwomans link seems to be that there are racists in Russia, both 'pro-Kremlin' and 'anti-Kremlin', and that the Kremlin uses events in Ferguson to propaganda that the US is not a perfect society after all, and that in so doing it hopes to "distract attention from events in Ukraine". I'm not sure what the point is here though, the US is also lousy with racists at all levels, and also uses political turmoil in other nations to condemn them (and worse, in my opinion we've seen political reform movements hijacked by jihadists for example and turned into out an out civil wars, or used to push through fascist coups, with shadowy US organs lurking in the background orchestrating arms, cash and 'weaponized media').
And to be honest I'm not sure Russia would like to distract people from the concept that it has national interests that it will stand up for, the Russians don't seem to be ashamed of their position re the Ukraine... that they won't allow their naval base to be lost, or that they will informally support the East Ukrainians under assault from the current Kiev regime. Not sure race-riots in the US are something they take into consideration on those issues really.
In sum I don't think one can really say "there are a lot of racist fuckwits in Russia, obviously all a part of Vladimir Putins plan", anymore than you could hold Barrack Obama responsible from the kind of vile one finds in a standard YouTube comment. Still, points to the article for the words "Kremlin, Ferguson, Racist, Putin, Russia, Propaganda" all in the same article.
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frogwoman
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Did you actually read the link? It's talking about critics of Putin's policy in Russia and Ukraine as well as supporters - ie Russian rebels being likened to Ferguson protesters.
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I read it, and yes it did mention the linking of Ferguson protesters to Russian rebels by Putins critics (who don't like the Ukrainian rebels).
Part of the "Racists are in Russia, both pro and anti Kremlin" thing I picked up on in my post.
butchersapron
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Putin is def right to fund the National Front mind eh camo?
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Get off your knees lad.
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Distasteful indeed if that's going down, we don't really know though. As the article starts off with the following:
"President Vladimir Putin is widely suspected of being behind an extraordinary Russian cash and charm offensive that is reported to be trying to woo Europe’s far-right populist parties in order to strengthen the Kremlin’s political influence within the European Union."
Widely suspected by who? Reported from where? We've seen in recent years that you really have to keep frosty when it comes to reading er.... 'news papers', turns out that they are not really in the business of 'reporting news' for starters.
And what are they accusing him of anyway, wooing 'populist parties in Europe' with the plan to somehow influence European politics in Russias favor? Frankly I'm glad I'm not a politician, to spend my time getting up to this sort of thing... but if the Russians are deviously attempting to influence European politics by use of populist political parties... (and is it their fault that off-chorus populist-politics in Europe is currently dominated by the likes of Le Front or UKIP?) at least they're not out funding and training nazi battalions so far. Fingers crossed eh.
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butchersapron
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Excellent. Even better than i could have hoped for.
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You're a simple minded fool who thinks he can oppose power with the same power.
Also, your fingers are too long and stink of weed.
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The story appeared in many papers - originally in the french mediapart investigative group's journal - it was their investigation that turned up the series of official documents and records revealing the funding and links - and that's what would need to be undermined rather than the self-interest of lebedev in publishing a very brief summary of the loans 3 or 4 days after the original piece - plus the National Front have confirmed the claims. And they have revealed further loans to far-right and fascist groups. They have an excellent reputation for their independent investigative journalism.
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coley
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Le Pen even said France should abandon NATO and form a military alliance with Russia along the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis, which would represent the creation of a Pan-European Union that would include Russia. The party lists this notion as the first of its 11 key principles on foreign policy.
Don't know what Berlin would make of the idea?
Don't know what Berlin would make of the idea?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
frogwoman
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Wasn't shekhotsov talking about this a while back?
Mind you in the same article it talking about a loan to the German social democrats as well who I am assuming are similar to the labour party?
coley
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Aye, but all these right wing lots getting into bed with Putin, in my day it was 'reds under the bed'
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
we're still there
Idris2002
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His what is beginning to smell?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
butchersapron
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The money to the germans was to the Alternative for Germany - a sort of UKIP with many far-right links. The social democrats were just mentioned as their last leader was seen as sympathetic to russian interests - in fact he now works for them. They don't need money from russia. That was about interlocking elite connections.
coley
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Socks.
butchersapron
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Mediapart have continued pulling at these strings:
Crimea, Russian loans and the Le Pens: the Kremlin's intriguing SMS messages
Article is sub only for now, but summary here
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DownwardDog
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Putin looks like he's just had a night on the samogon.
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considering all the above, what's your gut feeling about the Putin/Trump relationship?
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