"put people first" demo saturday march 28th london

[brasicritique]

In regards to half term yes I am being serious.
I work with severely autistic teenagers in a school that is very geared to their needs.
It does not so much buy in to the education system in the way you may be thinking, more fighting it to give our students some stability and safety. ?

In regards to everything else, if you accept that the majority of the country are fairly apathetic to the issues you are concerned about, why do you seem so intent on alienating them rather than educating them?

No my point is that people from my background are not apathetic and some will imo just vote far right instead as i am in agreement with durutis earlier thread about how the working classess have to be saintly like mother theresea before being even allowed through the door or to contribute to any of these so called radical alternative organisations. For example according to dotcom i am a mysogenist for using the word 'bitch'. you see its attitudes like dotcoms and others on these threads that keep a lot of people away from the idea of alternatives and keep the staus quo in tact

I hope you have a nice day at this demo

Look around you kittyp i suggest that you and otheres like you can and do make a difference but do not need to get involved with idiots on these boards

 

[e19896]

Nothing will change for working class people without significant changes to the class structure!

The G20 MELTDOWN site announces 4 starting points to converge on the city on April 1st - starting from these 4 stations at 11am - Moorgate, London Bridge, Liverpool street and Cannon Street. Also calling for a GENERAL STRIKE on the day. I’ll be interviewing CHRIS KNIGHT about the Meltdown and the GOVERNMENT OF THE DEAD on Resonancefm. Unmissable radio. It looks like the March 28th TUC marchwill be BIGGER THAN THE POLL TAX RIOT!

So we are told by Ian Bone, come on comrade look towords whome you are joining forcess with, 25 years on from when The Miners’ Strike (1984–1985) began, these are the very people who are saying no new coal there the ones that brought you climate camp these people are not the new class war, there The Middle Class the very root of our problems.

When we RIOT it has to be on our terms, not on thers or the state, we need to RIOT THROUGH SUBERBIA and as well as roasting a fat banker or 2 we need to add more meat to the feast in the form of The Middle Class..

 

[brasicritique]

Brasicritique

no there will be middleclass people spouting the usual disingenous flipflopery

Fuck me, you've done a survey of all the people who went before it even happened. I had no idea that the time travel technology had got so leaky.
If you could give us an accumalator for the 6 Nations scores this weekend it would be really helpful.
I see you spouting shallow class bigotry in another post almost immediately afterwards. .

no actually i'm drawing attention to the middle class class biased bigotry from the likes of bluestreak that keep alternative politics socially exclusive and alienates working class people from alternative politics .Seriously a lot of your hypocritical cunts need to go and read beverley skeggs.

Is it some kind of aspergers obsession. Why is "middle class" a legitimate term of abuse? It's phoney and pathetic..

Basically you are defending peacepetes amongst others position which dehumanises those from the lower classes on the grounds of a post with grammatical errors as a measure of intelligence taken as the socio norm which itself is derived from a class based and biased education system . Maybe because there is no criticism of the middle class allowed ( on these boards ) or as a legitimate term of abuse while anti working class abuse from the middle classess ( such as chav or peacepetes post or fridgemagents - a post which demonstrates what most of you think and assume bout the working/lower classess ) has left us in a state where significant numbers of the working class are now turning towards the politics of the far right. FYI there are some academics who realise that the current problem with the rise of the far right amongst white working class communities is due to the middle classes defelecting attention away from there own privilaged position (as on these boards ) and onto the hard won resources of B.E.M communities. So many of you so called left wingers are in denial sprouting your bullshit that its only the upper classes who suppress the working classes when it is the middle classes who do so on a daily basis .Is that structural enough for you you butchers hypocrite . No this whole day is nothing more than a recruitment drive for the usual out of touch and socially exclusive so called alternatives oh and the ed to get more people to join urban

There are are plenty of reactionaries and progressives in all classes. .

Amongst some of the older 50+ generation yes, I am lucky enough to have known some great people who have been there done it and have the T-shirts not the sad lonely hypocritical washed up pseudo intellectuals on these boards nor the current 18 -40 year old ABC1s snobbish wadicals in denial on urban who seem to make up 70 plus % of the posters these days

I dont suppose you'd ever bother to read Marx, what with him being middle class and married to an aristo.

if you knew anything about Marx you would know that his sexism , racism and anti working classim has been swept under the carpet in order to create a middle class idol above question. What did Marx say about Engels choice of bride….


Now returning to the point of this thread the anti poll tax demo was anti
poll tax - the stop the war march was to stop a war -what exactly is the 28th about? Clearly not putting people first as the welfare reform bill puts private companys and corperate profit before people privitisation of the post office does the same . Treelovers post sums up everything which Is wrong with the so called political alternatives as well as the contempt they have for the people they need to reach out to in order to make a lasting difference. After reading Treelovers post it seems to me that the only people benefiting here are the lawyers


Imo if you wanted to put people first then you would treat people as people indeed I only use my class based critique on these threads to demonstrate what smug class biased hypocrites you are and how you make it impossible for working classess to get involved other than in a subordiante position

Bluesstreak your sole contribution to this thread was to try and flame your an ugly fucker and your birds arse is saggy - if you think that any of the 7000 new jobs to be created by KFC make people middleclass then you are more of a jumped up inane middle class pipsqueek than i previuolsy thought

Bucthers yet again you would rather be popular on urban, indeed popular with middleclass people on this thread who love putting working class people down . For some one so steeped in Marx you obviously knew that the point I am making was structural yet you try to twist it in order to feed your own weak ego whilst playing to the gallery . Still no surprise there then…btw how do you (with reference to your previous post) separate the interests and actions of the middle class from some one you describe as culturally middle class?

 

[Bakunin]

no actually i'm drawing attention to the middle class class biased bigotry from the likes of bluestreak that keep alternative politics socially exclusive and alienates working class people from alternative politics .Seriously a lot of your hypocritical cunts need to go and read beverley skeggs.




Basically you are defending peacepetes amongst others position which dehumanises those from the lower classes on the grounds of a post with grammatical errors as a measure of intelligence taken as the socio norm which itself is derived from a class based and biased education system . Maybe because there is no criticism of the middle class allowed ( on these boards ) or as a legitimate term of abuse while anti working class abuse from the middle classess ( such as chav or peacepetes post or fridgemagents - a post which demonstrates what most of you think and assume bout the working/lower classess ) has left us in a state where significant numbers of the working class are now turning towards the politics of the far right. FYI there are some academics who realise that the current problem with the rise of the far right amongst white working class communities is due to the middle classes defelecting attention away from there own privilaged position (as on these boards ) and onto the hard won resources of B.E.M communities. So many of you so called left wingers are in denial sprouting your bullshit that its only the upper classes who suppress the working classes when it is the middle classes who do so on a daily basis .Is that structural enough for you you butchers hypocrite . No this whole day is nothing more than a recruitment drive for the usual out of touch and socially exclusive so called alternatives oh and the ed to get more people to join urban



Amongst some of the older 50+ generation yes, I am lucky enough to have known some great people who have been there done it and have the T-shirts not the sad lonely hypocritical washed up pseudo intellectuals on these boards nor the current 18 -40 year old ABC1s snobbish wadicals in denial on urban who seem to make up 70 plus % of the posters these days



if you knew anything about Marx you would know that his sexism , racism and anti working classim has been swept under the carpet in order to create a middle class idol above question. What did Marx say about Engels choice of bride….


Now returning to the point of this thread the anti poll tax demo was anti
poll tax - the stop the war march was to stop a war -what exactly is the 28th about? Clearly not putting people first as the welfare reform bill puts private companys and corperate profit before people privitisation of the post office does the same . Treelovers post sums up everything which Is wrong with the so called political alternatives as well as the contempt they have for the people they need to reach out to in order to make a lasting difference. After reading Treelovers post it seems to me that the only people benefiting here are the lawyers


Imo if you wanted to put people first then you would treat people as people indeed I only use my class based critique on these threads to demonstrate what smug class biased hypocrites you are and how you make it impossible for working classess to get involved other than in a subordiante position

Bluesstreak your sole contribution to this thread was to try and flame your an ugly fucker and your birds arse is saggy - if you think that any of the 7000 new jobs to be created by KFC make people middleclass then you are more of a jumped up inane middle class pipsqueek than i previuolsy thought

Bucthers yet again you would rather be popular on urban, indeed popular with middleclass people on this thread who love putting working class people down . For some one so steeped in Marx you obviously knew that the point I am making was structural yet you try to twist it in order to feed your own weak ego whilst playing to the gallery . Still no surprise there then…btw how do you (with reference to your previous post) separate the interests and actions of the middle class from some one you describe as culturally middle class?

Que?

You talk about alienation, yet you may well alienate a fair few posters on here with posts like that, and maybe a good few people IRL if that's how you approach people who disagree with you in person.

You're an inverted snob, hopelessy mired in your own brand of dogma, as far I can see.

 

[brasicritique]

As opposed to the inverted snobbery and dogmatic attitudes you seem to be displaying, methinks.

What exactly do you want? A protest movement that is conformist with your particular ideology (and thus exclusive to anybody that isn't)? Or a broader movement that involves the many rather than just a few which may lead to you, shock horror, having to work alongside people whose ideology doesn't match perfectly with your own?

First of all i reffered the to middleclass as a term in the same way the working class is used as a term. If a lot of you morons took it personlly then i suggest you need thicker skins also it is not inverted snobery that is the problem here with regards to building a representative and socially inclusive movement it is the open snobery displyed by posters on these boards that is clealry the problem if you put as much effort into pulling up peacepete or fridgemagnet or bluestreak as me than maybe the movement your trying to build would not have a problem in terms of being TRUELY socially representative

why is it that the legitimate domestic political concerns of many such as over the welfare reform bill or housing shortage are not on the radar or as kittyp seems to think not important to people?

i would settle for a PRACTICAL protest movement which took account of the same issues treelover has already posted on , issues you and friends dont give a shit about while you spout your UTOPIAN cult like politcal ideaology well i hope they detain you on the coaches like last time

 

[Bakunin]

First of all i reffered the to middleclass as a term in the same way the working class is used as a term. If a lot of you morons took it personlly then i suggest you need thicker skins also it is not inverted snobery that is the problem here with regards to building a representative and socially inclusive movement it is the open snobery displyed by posters on these boards that is clealry the problem if you put as much effort into pulling up peacepete or fridgemagnet or bluestreak as me than maybe the movement your trying to build would not have a problem in terms of being TRUELY socially representative

why is it that the legitimate domestic political concerns of many such as over the welfare reform bill or housing shortage are not on the radar or as kittyp seems to think not important to people?

i would settle for a PRACTICAL protest movement which took account of the same issues treelover has already posted on , issues you and friends dont give a shit about while you spout your UTOPIAN cult like politcal ideaology well i hope they detain you on the coaches like last time

I don't put much effort into pulling you up, as it happens. I just called you what, from your general posting style and attitudes, you seem to be. And I don't go round pulling people up in general, either. I might disagree strongly with people on given issues, but I don't pull them up about that as it's clearly their prerogative to disgree, just as it's mine to disagree with them.

And do be kind enough NOT to tell me what I do and don't care about, as I'm far more aware of my personal priorities than you are, ta muchly.

Practical protest is fine with me, but for you it seems like you'd have to drop much of your dogmatic approach and I'm not sure, to be perfectly frank, that you're willing to do that or maybe even capable of doing that to be honest.

And as for saying you'd rather they detained us on the coaches, as happened at Fairford, well, siding with the Establishment against activists isn't going to encourage anyone to take your side, now is it?

 

[brasicritique]

Que?
.

oh look another example of the usual urban snobbery.

You talk about alienation, yet you may well alienate a fair few posters on here with posts like that, and maybe a good few people IRL if that's how you approach people who disagree with you in person..

you see you just dont get it - i may alienate a few posters on here posters who think they know it all and who incidently all seem to love acting like th einternet hardman while you cannot see that the people i may alienate are small in number compared to the numbers of people you have ALL alienated over the years and continue to alieneate culimainting in the rise of the far right during the relativly good economic times let alone the bad ones ahead. With regards to your IRL point thats it most of you dont know what real life is like and seem to lack a life full stop and incidently i would rather tell it as it is than the usual spin inspired word playing hypocritical political poster who has disappered so far up there onw arse they only talk to themselves

You're an inverted snob, hopelessy mired in your own brand of dogma, as far I can see.

yeh rlly your mired in dog poo

 

[brasicritique]

I don't put much effort into pulling you up, as it happens. I just called you what, from your general posting style and attitudes, you seem to be. And I don't go round pulling people up in general, either. I might disagree strongly with people on given issues, but I don't pull them up about that as it's clearly their prerogative to disgree, just as it's mine to disagree with them.

And do be kind enough NOT to tell me what I do and don't care about, as I'm far more aware of my personal priorities than you are, ta muchly.

Practical protest is fine with me, but for you it seems like you'd have to drop much of your dogmatic approach and I'm not sure, to be perfectly frank, that you're willing to do that or maybe even capable of doing that to be honest.

And as for saying you'd rather they detained us on the coaches, as happened at Fairford, well, siding with the Establishment against activists isn't going to encourage anyone to take your side, now is it?

your a prize on eyou talk of me dropping dogma then go on to say that
i'm now siding with the establishment as i said i hoped you get detained on the coaches As i have already stated its fairly clear as well as by your posts what you and your friends do not care about ....its why your a hypocrite

 

[Bakunin]

oh look another example of the usual urban snobbery.




you see you just dont get it - i may alienate a few posters on here posters who think they know it all and who incidently all seem to love acting like th einternet hardman while you cannot see that the people i may alienate are small in number compared to the numbers of people you have ALL alienated over the years and continue to alieneate culimainting in the rise of the far right during the relativly good economic times let alone the bad ones ahead. With regards to your IRL point thats it most of you dont know what real life is like and seem to lack a life full stop and incidently i would rather tell it as it is than the usual spin inspired word playing hypocritical political poster who has disappered so far up there onw arse they only talk to themselves



yeh rlly your mired in dog poo

I posted 'Que?' because you were talking incompehensible crap, not because I feel myself superior to you.

I think you probably alienate people in general, what with your seemingly gigantic attitude problem towards anyone who has the temerity, shock horror, to disagree with you. You also seem to have a strange combination of a superiority complex (in that you are the lone speaker of truth here), a persecution complex (in that you seem to interpret any disagreement as some personal attack) and you also seem to, as I've said before, have an advanced degree of inverted 'prolier than thou' snobbery yourself, mired hopelessly as you are in dogma that excludes perfectly good people from getting involved in things because they aren't working class enough for you.

And I don't think that childish, school playground remarks about me being 'mired in dog poo' do anything to help your case, quite frankly.

 

[brasicritique]

No seeing as the middle-clases probably wield more political power and infulence it would be a very good thing.

maybe they already wield to much political power and influence and that might be part of the problem

 

[Bakunin]

your a prize on eyou talk of me dropping dogma then go on to say that
i'm now siding with the establishment as i said i hoped you get detained on the coaches As i have already stated its fairly clear as well as by your posts what you and your friends do not care about ....its why your a hypocrite

You stated quite clearly that you hoped we'd be detained on the coaches rather than have the protest go ahead as planned, and then you wonder why I might think you're on the side of the Establishment? Well, let me spell it out for you: If you side with the plod against other activists, then that usually means you're on the side of the Establishment. That simple enough for you?

And, as I've previously stated, I know my own personal and political priorities much better than you do, ta muchly. You presume to know me and my priorites better than I do myself, which is a somewhat bizarre claim to make seeing as we've never even met, let alone discussed politics face to face.

I'm no hypocrite as I walk the walk. I go on demo's, I plan and take part in direct action camps and events about the things that I care most about.

You, however, are an inverted snob, a dogmatist, and, quite frankly, a liar, in that you seek to smear and misrepresent me and others and make personal attacks as a substitute for having much in the way of politics.

 

[brasicritique]

I posted 'Que?' because you were talking incompehensible crap, not because I feel myself superior to you.
.

if you did not see yourself as superior you would not need to post to say that i am posting incomprehensible crap in the above context

I think you probably alienate people in general, what with your seemingly gigantic attitude problem towards anyone who has the temerity, shock horror, to disagree with you. You also seem to have a strange combination of a superiority complex (in that you are the lone speaker of truth here), a persecution complex (in that you seem to interpret any disagreement as some personal attack) and you also seem to, as I've said before, have an advanced degree of inverted 'prolier than thou' snobbery yourself, mired hopelessly as you are in dogma that excludes perfectly good people from getting involved in things because they aren't working class enough for you.

i think your have got your post confused with an excersise on self refelction. I bet freud and jung are both trembling in their graves

And I don't think that childish, school playground remarks about me being 'mired in dog poo' do anything to help your case, quite frankly.

oooooo well i feel sorry for you and especially all those who were detained on a coach with you were there any survivors or did you bore them all to death

 

[Bakunin]

if you did not see yourself as superior you would not need to post to say that i am posting incomprehensible crap in the above context





i think your have got your post confused with an excersise on self refelction. I bet freud and jung are both trembling in their graves



oooooo well i feel sorry for you and especially all those who were detained on a coach with you were there any survivors or did you bore them all to death

Is that the sound of a barrel being scraped..?

Nope, you've broken through the bottom of the barrel and are now industriously tunnelling under it. Would you like me to play the 'Great Escape' theme tune as you disappear out of sight and, one fervently hopes, out of mind?

All together now...

'DA-DA-DA-DA, DA-DAAAA-DA-DA-DA...'

I would laugh at you, but it's wicked to mock the afflicted, so I'll content myself with pitying you instead.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I honestly wouldn't bother if I were you.

 

[brasicritique]

You stated quite clearly that you hoped we'd be detained on the coaches .

yes

rather than have the protest go ahead as planned,.

this is a fairly obvious lie which anyone if they bother to go back to my original post will clealry see

and then you wonder why I might think you're on the side of the Establishment? .

no i was drawing attention to your lack of humour you forty year old virgin

Well, let me spell it out for you: If you side with the plod against other activists, then that usually means you're on the side of the Establishment. That simple enough for you?.

now i'm silding with the plod

And, as I've previously stated, I know my own personal and political priorities much better than you do, ta muchly. You presume to know me and my priorites better than I do myself, which is a somewhat bizarre claim to make seeing as we've never even met, let alone discussed politics face to face.

I'm no hypocrite as I walk the walk. I go on demo's, I plan and take part in direct action camps and events about the things that I care most about..

what like the direct action camp that alienated the local workers at the energy plant that time fyi you are a hypocrite

You, however, are an inverted snob, a dogmatist, and, quite frankly, a liar, in that you seek to smear and misrepresent me and others and make personal attacks as a substitute for having much in the way of politics.

thanks thats great as everyone can see from all your posts on this thread that the above is so not you btw have you read any of skeggs?

 

[brasicritique]

I honestly wouldn't bother if I were you.

thanks for yet another non biased intervention

i forgot to ask you you if you have read skeggs as well? and while your at it maybe you should go and take some mod lessons from crispy

 

[brasicritique]

Is that the sound of a barrel being scraped..?

Nope, you've broken through the bottom of the barrel and are now industriously tunnelling under it. Would you like me to play the 'Great Escape' theme tune as you disappear out of sight and, one fervently hopes, out of mind?

All together now...

'DA-DA-DA-DA, DA-DAAAA-DA-DA-DA...'

I would laugh at you, but it's wicked to mock the afflicted, so I'll content myself with pitying you instead.

i have heard of a dead sheep savaging but i have never met a zombie sheep bleating untill i came across you

 

[FridgeMagnet]

thanks for yet another non biased intervention

Well, you do just rant on nonsensically and pay no attention to anything anyone says, so I'd rather nobody wasted their time indulging you to be quite honest.

 

[brasicritique]

Well, you do just rant on nonsensically and pay no attention to anything anyone says, so I'd rather nobody wasted their time indulging you to be quite honest.

yeh really gosh your so impartial how do you do it?

so you have not read skeggs

 

[marty21]

Well, you do just rant on nonsensically and pay no attention to anything anyone says, so I'd rather nobody wasted their time indulging you to be quite honest.

true

 

[Bakunin]

yes



this is a fairly obvious lie which anyone if they bother to go back to my original post will clealry see



no i was drawing attention to your lack of humour you forty year old virgin



now i'm silding with the plod



what like the direct action camp that alienated the local workers at the energy plant that time fyi you are a hypocrite



thanks thats great as everyone can see from all your posts on this thread that the above is so not you btw have you read any of skeggs?

Reached the centre of the Earth yet, have we? You really do make yourself look like a prize cock when you do this sort of thing, you do know that don't you? The more you rant, rave, froth and foam at the mouth about nothing more than how the big bad internet people are bullying you by daring to disagree with you about things, the more of an idiot you make yourself look. And your schoolboy level of abuse doesn't help either, by the way.

Here's a tip for you. Toddle off back to your books, pick up a dictionary or thesaurus, and look up the words 'meaningful' and 'debate.' Then immerse yourself in the reality of life as the vast majority of people live it. Note the difference between the two. Then toddle back here and actually come up with something meaningful and worthwhile that's worth a serious argument and maybe you'll actually reduce the impression that I, and seemingly others as well, have of you, which is of someone who'd have difficulty holding his own in the Gent's, let alone online and/or in person-to-person debate and argument.

Now then, if you can do without me in the kindergarten for a while, I'm off out for some food and fags from the local shop. Seeing as you're obviously too young for cigarettes, perhaps if you behave I'll pick you up a bottle of pop and a bag of crisps.

TTFN.

 

[Bakunin]

Well, you do just rant on nonsensically and pay no attention to anything anyone says, so I'd rather nobody wasted their time indulging you to be quite honest.

Fair enough, I'll not bother with him any more it's a moderating decision.

 

[brasicritique]

true

your sole contribution to this thread carefull or i will tell bakunin that you house policemen and he will bore you to death btw have you read skeggs?

 

[brasicritique]

Fair enough, I'll not bother with him any more it's a moderating decision.

gosh your wadical

 

[marty21]

your sole contribution to this thread carefull or i will tell bakunin that you house policemen and he will bore you to death btw have you read skeggs?

there's a post quota?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Fair enough, I'll not bother with him any more it's a moderating decision.

It's not a moderating decision, I just think that you're better off not wasting your time, that's all.

 

[brasicritique]

there's a post quota?

well according to bakunin ( was it kropotkin or bakunin who was royalty...) there appears to be a moderating one and fridgemagnet the fed is now trying to deny it so you could ask them . However seeing as how fridgemagnet is confused may i say that you should at least try to comment on the subject under disscussion on the thread otherwise you look like a bit of an idiot.. still why break the habit of a life time

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Well I'm going down to see what teh rumpus iz all about coz the meeting point is at the end of my road...sort of, and I fancy a stroll along the promenades of central London.

 

[e19896]

Well I'm going down to see what teh rumpus iz all about coz the meeting point is at the end of my road...sort of, and I fancy a stroll along the promenades of central London.

in one respect it could be good to go and watch a load of middle class and the police have a fight, which side are you? me nither oh what joy to see the middle class get a beating, and what joy to see the police get one likewise, this is all i can see in this otherwise what is the point?

 

[marty21]

well according to bakunin ( was it kropotkin or bakunin who was royalty...) there appears to be a moderating one and fridgemagnet the fed is now trying to deny it so you could ask them . However seeing as how fridgemagnet is confused may i say that you should at least try to comment on the subject under disscussion on the thread otherwise you look like a bit of an idiot.. still why break the habit of a life time

you are giving a great example of how to be an idiot, we all learn from you on how to be one