Pushing a bicycle across the road when the light is red

[Geri]

However, if it is a commonly held belief that you have no right to cross a zebra crossing wheeling your bike across, this may explain why not 1 but 3 cars didn't stop for me at one the other day, with me dismounted from my bike and one foot firmly on the crossing (all giving me the right to cross from my understanding). The other explanation of course is that they were all being selfish cunts!

They were being selfish cunts, probably. Half the time they don't stop for me, bike or no bike.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Or indeed, carefully driving a car at walking speed through a red light?

I had to evade a car doing precisely this while crossing a road on the green man signal in Brixton. It's that sodding Coldharbour Lane/Atlantic road crossing. Nine times out of ten someone will jump the red lights when I attempt to cross on the pedestrian signal. Cars and bikes. Not usually at pedestrian speed however.

 

[fogbat]

INconsideration is exactly what i was talking about..i said my bugbears were those..not that i'd knock a cyclist off if he tried to pass me, but if an INCONSIDERATE one did it, then i might be tempted to, yeah.

Is this "STUPID WOMAN THINKING" ?

 

[Agent Sparrow]

They were being selfish cunts, probably. Half the time they don't stop for me, bike or no bike.

Well yes. I have trouble getting car drivers to stop for me on that particular crossing bike or no bike.

 

[detective-boy]

since when as it anywhere near fair that they get to drive down between 2 lanes of traffic to be first off at lights?

Sorry ... were you using that bit of road then?

No? So wind your neck in. If you want to use it, get two wheels.

(* Pops down Ladbrokes and has £10 on citygirl being one of those pricks who deliberately stops out of line, so as to prevent any bikes filtering ... *)

 

[detective-boy]

The seargant (a bit of a notorious cunt to bikers in that area TBH) got several charges out of this & he ended-up paying a fair whack in fines & points.

Sounds like they would be NON-MOVING traffic offences (tax, insurance, condition, etc.) which would still apply - they even apply when vehicles are parked on a road! (But way over the top though - legally OK maybe, but an instance where a warning should have been used unless there was a history).

 

[detective-boy]

pedestrians aren't allowed to walk up the middle of two lanes of traffic

Er, yes they are. They just usually don't because there's no reason to.

Do you have a licence? You know, a real one, not one out of a Christmas cracker ...

 

[detective-boy]

I was under the impression that, even whilst pushing a push bike certain traffic laws applied. eg pushing a bike across a zebra crossing

BUT

if picked up and carried, the bike became a parcel and the laws no longer applied.

I'd question the take on laws not applying if not being ridden or driven, what about being pissed and sleeping in the back of a car, I'm sure that I've heard of people being done for DD in cases like this, because they had the keys on them.

But I may be wrong.

You're mixing up different things.

There are moving traffic offences (like speeding, and ignoring red lights and careless driving/riding) which can only be committed by a driver or rider driving or riding a vehicle.

Then there are non-moving traffic offences (like the requirements for insurance and tax and laws about condition of the vehicle) which apply to any vehicle on a road (or public place sometimes), regardless of whether it is being used or not, or even if it is attended (they apply to parked vehicles too).

Drink-driving is a strange sort of hybrid - the offence can be committed if driving or if "in charge" of a vehicle on a road. And "in charge" is defined by cases law (individual decisions of the courts in individual cases) and it currently includes some situations in which someone is asleep in a car (or even asleep in bed!) if the court find any reasonable likelihood of them driving before being sober.

(There is no offence of pushing a pedal cycle across a zebra crossing at all - the "crossers" aren't regulated at all, the offences are all committed by drivers and riders not "according precedence" to a pedestrian (with or without a bike). Someone riding a pedal cycle across a zebra crossing would not be a pedestrian and, hence, a driver who failed to accord them precedence would not commit that offence (though, if they had seen them, they may be committing an offence of driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration).)

 

[Radar]

ugbears were those..not that i'd knock a cyclist off if he tried to pass me, but if an INCONSIDERATE one did it, then i might be tempted to, yeah.

Holy shit, psycho alert

 

[tommers]

how not so, then? just because i could *imagine* doing it. doesn't make me inconsiderate in the slightest...DOING it would. does it make you inconsiderate to imagine cheating on your other half? so long as you don't DO it. right?

right... except that...

consideration means thinking about how your actions affect other people. You seem concerned with how others' actions affect you (or don't, they just annoy you.)

and

just cos you don't kill / severely injure somebody doesn't mean you're being considerate.

 

[cybertect]

this thread has taken a bit of a turn since I last dropped in

Anyhow, some light relief for Herbsman

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/August2002.htm

 

[Herbsman.]

this thread has taken a bit of a turn since I last dropped in

Anyhow, some light relief for Herbsman

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/August2002.htm

Cool

 

[dream_girl]

this really pisses me off as a car driver..one rule for us - another for the cyclists. same for motorbikes. since when as it anywhere near fair that they get to drive down between 2 lanes of traffic to be first off at lights?

And if you see a cyclist doing this I think you should run them down! It'll make you feel better, I'm sure.

EDIT - Reading on a bit - I see that you have actually threatened this. Lunatic!!

 

[dream_girl]

Cars can go at 70mph, but on my bike I've only ever managed 36 downhill on a good day (today in fact), so cars should be limited to 36mph.

Either way, no overtaking me at any speed, ever, cos that wouldn't be equal.

I can't go on motorways, so let's get rid of those.

I can't fill up with petrol, at least not if I want to live, so I'm afraid that has to go too. Sorry.

Aces! Now everything's fair

To make it really fair cyclists have the right to ride in the middle of a lane and cars are not allowed to overtake in the same lane, or cut in in front of a cyclist coming up to a red light.

 

[dream_girl]

(* Pops down Ladbrokes and has £10 on citygirl being one of those pricks who deliberately stops out of line, so as to prevent any bikes filtering ... *)

I knew it! Especially black cab drivers - you can see the process - as soon as they clock you coming along the road they quickly move to block you!

 

[chainsaw cat]

don't be silly. I wouldn't go through a red without looking, and I wouldn't go through if something was coming, you utter muppet.

If there's nowt coming and no copper about why not just ride? It's not as if you'll get nicked.

I'm talking about the lights that are there for traffic flow, not safety.

 

[dream_girl]

I went through two red lights this morning - I did it by keeping alongside the bus was also going through the red lights.

I hasten to add that these were NOT pedestrian lights.

 

[roryer]

Are pedestrians allowed to cross a street agaiinst a red light in Britain?

Here, red means 'stop', for everybody.

Remember the Professor of History from England visiting a conference in Atlanta who was knocked to the ground and arrested for jaywalking? When cars have this level of priority over humans the enslavement is complete.

 

[Roadkill]

That was Felipe Fernandez Amesto - a character if ever there was one. I'm told people go to his lectures for the entertainment value more than the content, and having been to one the other year I can see why...

Not that that makes it okay for the OB to lock him up for crossing a road at a time and place of his own choosing.

 

[Herbsman.]

Remember the Professor of History from England visiting a conference in Atlanta who was knocked to the ground and arrested for jaywalking? When cars have this level of priority over humans the enslavement is complete.

True, true - but maybe he wouldn't have been knocked off if he had been careful about crossing the road. 'Stop, look and listen'...

Still, being arrested for it is ridiculous - regardless of whose fault it was, what kind of fucked up law allows a person who got hurt by a car (and could have been K/SI) to be arrested simply for being in the road?

 

[Roadkill]

He wasn't hit by a car - he was just arrested for jaywalking

 

[Herbsman.]

He wasn't hit by a car - he was just arrested for jaywalking

What, or who, then, caused him to be "knocked to the ground"?

 

[Roadkill]

What, or who, then, caused him to be "knocked to the ground"?

The police, when he asked them what was going on.

One article I read (and the incident caused a certain amount of hilarity where I work, since one or two people know the bloke and we'd seen him lecture in London not long before) complained petulantly about how the police had confiscated his peppermints, but said that he felt a wiser person for having spent a night in cells 'with the scum of the earth.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felipe_Fernández-Armesto

 

[Herbsman.]

The police, when he asked them what was going on.

Rahtid to claaahtid

So basically the police injured him then arrested him and jailed him for 8 hours for being in the road

This is the type of thing that puts me off going to America.

One article I read (and the incident caused a certain amount of hilarity where I work, since one or two people know the bloke and we'd seen him lecture in London not long before) complained petulantly about how the police had confiscated his peppermints, but said that he felt a wiser person for having spent a night in cells 'with the scum of the earth.'

zomg lol

 

[Crispy]

Arrested for walking in the road. fucked right up!

 

[Roadkill]

Imagine the plummiest English accent you've ever heard and then multiply the plumminess by ten, and you have Fernandez-Armesto. That's why people found the story funny...

Jaywalking is illegal in quite a lot of places, isn't it? AFAIK it is in Germany, and I was shouted at by a copper in Poland for daring to cross a road when the light was red - at 7 on a Sunday morning when there was barely a car in sight...

 

[gentlegreen]

Seriously cool dude.