People reoffend and 'relapse'. The prison systems of the UK do not work. Parts of Europe have seen reform which security/psychiatrist here prevent. Smothering of the few to create a perfect image of person/society is scary and brain damaging and oppressive (for unlucky few)!
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People reoffend and 'relapse'. The prison systems of the UK do not work. Parts of Europe have seen reform which security/psychiatrist here prevent. Smothering of the few to create a perfect image of person/society is scary and brain damaging and oppressive (for unlucky few)!
The prison system - and psychiatry - are both a result of the society they’re based in.
You couldn’t take Eg a Scandinavian prison and put it in the U.K. It’d be a farce. Because the whole prison system is based on a society with a generous welfare state and decent conditions outside of prison, which enable the prisons to be far more “decent.” Put that in the U.K., with its prison history and ongoing austerity, and prisons would (understandably) be seen as a holiday camp, and their rehabilitative efforts would go nowhere because they’d be an island of non-austere welfarism balanced on top of a pyramid of austerity, inequality and division. People would take the piss. They’d be nuts not to.
Likewise psychiatry. The psychiatry we have is the psychiatry society has created. Psychiatrists can no more overturn that, than they can undo spending cuts and revolutionise the entire foundations of U.K. society.
As mentioned above, the rich (and hyper rich) still have avenues for avoiding the systems you’re talking about, even when they’re “mad.” Or high risk.
People without the same resources can’t. Because they’re reliant on state provision. And state provision is what the rest of society has created / allows.
The psychiatrist seems to care for individual circumstances; that a weed/person might grapple a lovely flower.
There seems to be insistance that it is somewhat reactionary rather than part of an overall ideology held by overenthusiastic/sadistic pXer. Perhaps your average psychiatrist has been hijacked by (security)?
Reform = role of stomach in mental disorders and the fact prison doesn't work is kept hidden thereby proactively smothering the few for the glory of society?
There seems to be insistance that it is somewhat reactionary rather than part of an overall ideology held by overenthusiastic/sadistic pXer. Perhaps your average psychiatrist has been hijacked by (security)?
Reform = role of stomach in mental disorders and the fact prison doesn't work is kept hidden thereby proactively smothering the few for the glory of society?
The duty of progressing society falls harshly on the psychiatrist?
I dunno wtf much of this thread is about. But I do know that if you look at the Cochrane library meta analyses for anti psychotics, for the majority the graphs look like this: over time, for both patients on both anti-psychotics and placebo, symptoms improve (either the psychosis remits naturally, or some other aspect of care has a positive effect, or both). Those on some antipsychotics improve a bit faster.
But, anti-psychotics have horrible side effects (weight gain, diabetes, Parkinsonism, restlessness, strange facial movements, raised prolactin and fertility issues and bone density loss etc).
Look at what Cochrane says (written by Benjamin Gray, Service User and Service User Expert, Rethink Mental Illness) about one of the older anti-psychotics that’s still widely prescribed, haloperidol:
Maybe antipsychotics should never be prescribed without informed consent about the risks? But what happens then to the person who is acutely unwell and a risk to themselves or others. What about a catatonic patient with severe self neglect, filthy, starving, non-verbal, not moving. Do we as a society detain them, detain them without treatment? Or not detain them at all, and if they die, or harm another because they are delusional, we just accept that?
What’s your view MadeInBedlam?
But, anti-psychotics have horrible side effects (weight gain, diabetes, Parkinsonism, restlessness, strange facial movements, raised prolactin and fertility issues and bone density loss etc).
Look at what Cochrane says (written by Benjamin Gray, Service User and Service User Expert, Rethink Mental Illness) about one of the older anti-psychotics that’s still widely prescribed, haloperidol:
For research that’s VERY strong language. ‘May wish to prescribe a newer antipsychotic’. Indeed. So why is haloperidol still prescribed at all?!
Maybe antipsychotics should never be prescribed without informed consent about the risks? But what happens then to the person who is acutely unwell and a risk to themselves or others. What about a catatonic patient with severe self neglect, filthy, starving, non-verbal, not moving. Do we as a society detain them, detain them without treatment? Or not detain them at all, and if they die, or harm another because they are delusional, we just accept that?
What’s your view MadeInBedlam?
In what sense, kept hidden?
Eg the MoJ publish live statistics on reoffending rate overall, and per prison. Here’s eg Holme House, and given its recently converted to a Cat C you’d probably find eg Durham is worse. (On checking, it is - 75% reoffending for those serving <12 months, 56% for those serving over).
No sane criminologist thinks that anyone should really be sentenced to <6 months, and no one in the community gives a fuck.
Society - mostly - isn’t bothered, even though we’re rayt open about the fact that prison is a massive failure.
I don’t think there’s anythjng secret or conspiratorial going on - we’ve got a society predicated on massive inequality, plus austerity, and those who are most vulnerable are the most fucked, because that’s what happens in w society based on massive inequality, plus austerity.
If there are sadistic psychiatrists, they’re having one helluva lot less of a detrimental impact than Business as Usual, as described above. IMO.
Anyone can see it happening. It’s literally how society operates. In the U.K.
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Sit down with a psychiatrist and put forward stomach problems probably allow mental illness to accumulate, like I did, you will be told; tough, no framework exists within MHA to address such problems.
Evidence reveals the anti-psychotics in the long term cause more susceptibility to psychosis and the Pxing of them actually harms the patient themselves, sure, they become dependant obese diabetic and shake like scary crazy people.
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