Protest against army recruitment centre

[osterberg]

My dear Osterberg asserting that the SWP is a revolutionary organisation is not the same as proving that assertion.

Nor is asserting that the SWP is not a revolutionary organisation the same as proving that assertion.

As for Galloway ( I assume that is to whom you refer) I don't see what is wrong in a united front working with people you have dissagreed with in the past.
Otherwise you'll find yourself very lonely and isolated.

*swings handbag*

 

[neprimerimye]

Nor is asserting that the SWP is not a revolutionary organisation the same as proving that assertion.

As for Galloway ( I assume that is to whom you refer) I don't see what is wrong in a united front of working with people you have dissagreed with in the past.
Otherwise you'll find yourself very lonely and isolated.

*swings handbag*

Try again. Not Galloway in fact I have no idea what his position was on Kosova. That you do not know suggests that you are ignorant of the class nature of your allies in Respect.

And of course the imperialist occupation of Kosova is not something with which you might have disagreed with allies in the past they are still there. And now you have a councillor who helped and abetted imperialism in Kosova.

Curious by the way that you see fit to describe Respect as a 'united front' when in fact it does not fit the classical definition of such a formation as given by the Comintern as a short term alliance between tendencies within the workers movement for a specific, usually defensive, action.

Respect is, of course, a medium to long term project based on building an electoral machine not involving and does not involve any significant forces within the workers movement. It is not then in any sense Trotsky would have recognised a 'united front'.

Anyways its a lovely day and i wish you joy of it.

 

[osterberg]

Try again. Not Galloway in fact I have no idea what his position was on Kosova. That you do not know suggests that you are ignorant of the class nature of your allies in Respect.

And of course the imperialist occupation of Kosova is not something with which you might have disagreed with allies in the past they are still there. And now you have a councillor who helped and abetted imperialism in Kosova.

Curious by the way that you see fit to describe Respect as a 'united front' when in fact it does not fit the classical definition of such a formation as given by the Comintern as a short term alliance between tendencies within the workers movement for a specific, usually defensive, action.

Respect is, of course, a medium to long term project based on building an electoral machine not involving and does not involve any significant forces within the workers movement. It is not then in any sense Trotsky would have recognised a 'united front'.

Anyways its a lovely day and i wish you joy of it.

Sorry,unlike you I don't know everything nor do I know the details of every Respect councillor off by heart either.I don't particularly care what they may have done in the past either.

Nor do I give a flying fuck whether or not Respect fits you're 80 year old definition of a 'united front' either and neither do the thousands who voted for it.

In fact I have more respect for your mysterious councillor who by taking part in the first serious left of labour electoral challenge for years on an anti-war,anti-privatisation and anti-imperialist platform(which is all there on the Respect website for everybody to see) as done more for socialism than you have done with all your years of carping from the sidelines.

And you can take your patronising tone and stick it.

 

[llantwit]

Sorry,unlike you I don't know everything nor do I know the details of every Respect councillor off by heart either.I don't particularly care what they may have done in the past either.

Nor do I give a flying fuck whether or not Respect fits you're 80 year old definition of a 'united front' either and neither do the thousands who voted for it.

In fact I have more respect for your mysterious councillor who by taking part in the first serious left of labour electoral challenge for years on an anti-war,anti-privatisation and anti-imperialist platform(which is all there on the Respect website for everybody to see) as done more for socialism than you have done with all your years of carping from the sidelines.

And you can take your patronising tone and stick it.

OOOH! Get her.
Nice one Osterberg - go get 'im!!!

 

[neprimerimye]

Sorry,unlike you I don't know everything nor do I know the details of every Respect councillor off by heart either.I don't particularly care what they may have done in the past either.

Nor do I give a flying fuck whether or not Respect fits you're 80 year old definition of a 'united front' either and neither do the thousands who voted for it.

In fact I have more respect for your mysterious councillor who by taking part in the first serious left of labour electoral challenge for years on an anti-war,anti-privatisation and anti-imperialist platform(which is all there on the Respect website for everybody to see) as done more for socialism than you have done with all your years of carping from the sidelines.

And you can take your patronising tone and stick it.

My dear Osterberg that 80 year old definition of the United Front was that of Lenin and Trotsky not mine. And if I recall correctly the SWP claims to stand on the politics of Lenin and Trotsky.

Now as for that councillor he is also the barrister for the impeccably bourgeois Muslim Association of Britain if that helps you identify him. Quite how he was promoting anti-imperialiost politics in Kosova must remain a mystery unless you wish to enlighten us?

And it still a lovely day and I still wish you the joy of it.

 

[osterberg]

My dear Osterberg that 80 year old definition of the United Front was that of Lenin and Trotsky not mine. And if I recall correctly the SWP claims to stand on the politics of Lenin and Trotsky.

Now as for that councillor he is also the barrister for the impeccably bourgeois Muslim Association of Britain if that helps you identify him. Quite how he was promoting anti-imperialiost politics in Kosova must remain a mystery unless you wish to enlighten us?

And it still a lovely day and I still wish you the joy of it.

I'm not denying your definition of the united front.Whoopee for you,you've
read loads of books.I know I haven't read as much as I should have done but
all the theory in the world isn't worth a fart in a wind tunnel if you don't get off your bum and put it into practice.

 

[neprimerimye]

I'm not denying your definition of the united front.Whoopee for you,you've
read loads of books.I know I haven't read as much as I should have done but
all the theory in the world isn't worth a fart in a wind tunnel if you don't get off your bum and put it into practice.

Oh come now my dear Osterberg you've read a few books in your time. And you are correct theory alone will change nothing at all.

But was it not Lenin who argued, correctly in my opinion, that without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary practice?

It would seem then that if, as you would seem to agree, that Respect is not an example of the united front (theoretical proposition) then it cannot be an example of revolutionary practice on the part of the SWP. Which begs many a question.

And its still a nice day and a nice evening to come. I wish you joy of yours.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

But was it not Lenin who argued, correctly in my opinion, that without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary practice?
.

If Lenin was correct about the unity of theory and practice, then you're up shit creek, as you engage in zero revolutionary practice.

 

[neprimerimye]

If Lenin was correct about the unity of theory and practice, then you're up shit creek, as you engage in zero revolutionary practice.

But at least I have a paddle with which I can hope to propel myself out of the creek.

Lacking such a paddle, that is to say Marxist theory, you can but dig yourself deeper into the creek.

Rather cooler today but quite pleasant don't you think? Have a nice day.

 

[osterberg]

never mind

 

[ddraig]

the twats were out with their big tank blocking up the road in town today

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

the twats were out with their big tank blocking up the road in town today

Sugar's good for that

 

[Col_Buendia]

But was it not Lenin who argued, correctly in my opinion, that without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary practice?

C'mon Osterberg, handbag 'im with some Debord, FFS!!

Revolutionary theory is now the enemy of all revolutionary ideology, and it knows it!

 

[osterberg]

But was it not Lenin who argued, correctly in my opinion, that without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary practice?

QUOTE]
Without revolutionary practice what is the point of revolutionary theory?

The weather continues fine.

 

[neprimerimye]

Without revolutionary practice what is the point of revolutionary theory?

The weather continues fine.

You miss the point. The SWP has neither.

Certainly it has practice and more than its fair share of theory. But the latter is disconnected from its practice and is not informed by it.

Yes the weather remains pleasant but alas I shall be stuck on a coach for much of the day.

 

[osterberg]

Going anywhere nice?

 

[llantwit]

Going anywhere nice?

Don't try and engage him in pleasant conversation. He bites.

 

[neprimerimye]

Going anywhere nice?

No London.

 

[neprimerimye]

Don't try and engage him in pleasant conversation. He bites.

Osterburg has had his tetanus shots so it should be OK.

Oh shit look at the time!!!!

 

[llantwit]

Osterburg has had his tetanus shots so it should be OK.

Oh shit look at the time!!!!

 

[osterberg]

It's raining now!
Neppy's taken the good weather with him.

 

[neprimerimye]

It's raining now!
Neppy's taken the good weather with him.

Nah it was worse in London hot sticky and very wet.

And now the sun is shiing again to welcome me back to the land of my forefathers!