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wobbly
i didn't know until I was about 18 weeks, and I already have 2 kids. that's the effect of having absolutely no morning sickness at all and periods that come when they feel like it.
Protect A Woman's Right to Choose
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i didn't know until I was about 18 weeks, and I already have 2 kids. that's the effect of having absolutely no morning sickness at all and periods that come when they feel like it.
baldrick
hmmmmm
No, but your view is very black and white.
Life isn't like that. Do you not care about the women involved? It doesn't seem like you do tbh.
ethel
Well-Known Member
they may know, but if your father was the abuser, wouldn't you be even a little bit scared?
lights.out.london
Black Flag
Good point. And here's the rub. I think I started off by saying that abortion is a shame on our society. It's tough, for sure.
ethel
Well-Known Member
i'm sure that very few late term abortions are for "social" reasons
innit
c'mon, little life giver
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
No...you haven't thought through the logic of your choice to attach rights to something that has no means of exercising them, and to do so in one situation and not another. You'd be better off asking yourself why you have made the choices you have regarding abortion, and what effects would the imposition of your choices have on others.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
I know kids who's daddy's got them pregnant at 14-15 - they knew they were preggers.
And - yes they were very, very scared. Both aborted within the first month or so.
Daddy continued to play even after the abortion.
And - yes they were very, very scared. Both aborted within the first month or so.
Daddy continued to play even after the abortion.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
It is a black and white PoV, I agree. I don't see how it could be anything else. Again - happy to be persuaded otherwise.
As to caring about women, or women who have had an abortion, I'm not sure I follow you. What I'm driving at is the society we live in and the potential our society has, there need be no reason, no reason at all, for a woman to need to seek an abortion.
Placing one person's life over another's is a sticky wicket, IMHO.
trashpony
Hag
Ah. So soon into the thread and already we're hearing the scrapping of the bottom of the barrel as the apologists scrabble for something new to say.
Anything new to say?
No. Thought not.
If anyone does come up with a coherent argument for abortion, which also deals with the right to life and the rights of an unborn child, I'm all ears.
Thank you for reading.
I wasn't going to wade into this discussion seeing as you and I have already had this conversation ad infinitum. I see that you haven't got anything new to say either. But that doesn't stop you going over and over your old ground.
You're the one who's dull I'm afraid.
baldrick
hmmmmm
christ almighty. see, it does happen lightsoutI know kids who's daddy's got them pregnant at 14-15 - they knew they were preggers.
And - yes they were very, very scared. Both aborted within the first month or so.
Daddy continued to play even after the abortion.
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wobbly
abortions will happen whether they are legal or not. It wouldn't take me 5 minutes to find 15 different herbal remedies for unwanted pregnancy. many of which have considerable historical use and many of which are highly toxic.
making abortion illegal wouldn't stop abortion, it would simply leave women without the money to see a proper doctor vulnerable to quacks with knitting needles or coathangers or old wives tales about poisonous plants.
The only reason I can see for making abortion illegal under these circumstances is that the people campaigning for this see potential death as an appropriate punishment to women who get pregnant.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
It all depends on when you define life as beginning. Some religions take the view that life begins when a baby is capable of independent life which can be in the modern world after 25/26 weeks or in more primitive societies the definition is after the head has emerged from the vagina. Some paths take the view that life begins at conception which seems too early to me as this proto baby hasn't got what it takes to be considered as life in any meaningful form.
I've been in the position where an ex lost a much wanted by both of us baby in the early stages of pregnancy and it was to us as much a loss as if the baby had died at birth or later.
If it was a situation where the baby was not wanted or the parent(s) were not able to care for and love the baby as it should be then the path of least wrong is to offer safe legal timely terminations.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
A right is only a right if the person to whom it pertains is personally capable of exercising it? Doubtful.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
That's not what I said, read the whole of the post.
To make this easier for you; you choose to attach rights to some foetuses and not others; if they are all of presumably similar worth then why not intervene as vigorously as possible in all cases of 'natural' abortion? The answer is because that is obviously a ridiculous position to take, negating the rights of women as it does. Which leaves you in a position where it isn't abortion that you're objecting to but rather a woman's choice as opposed to something we call 'nature'; you seem to have it in for some pregnant women rather than wanting to protect the vast majority of unborn children. Why you've made this choice is something you might want to consider.
ethel
Well-Known Member
so you are going to eliminate:
complications which mean that the mother's live is endangered
mental health problems
sexual abuse
rape
contraceptive failure
do you think that pregnant women who find out that they have cancer shouldn't have treatment because the foetus will be endangered?
lights.out.london
Black Flag
A while back you wrote that I was writing/speaking drivel.
baldrick
hmmmmm
What is this potential you speak of? I think you need to explain.
I think we're coming from this at fundamentally different directions. I think abortion is fundamental for women's rights in society as independent people who are capable of dictating thier own choices in life. You think the unborn child's rights are more important.
I see no way for us to be reconciled
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wobbly
you could perhaps read and respond to the WHOLE POST.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
I have and there's little there, tbh. And I'm not sure what you mean by one situation and not another?
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lights.out.london
Black Flag
1. don't shout.
2. Are you always so paranoid as to believe there is a section of society out to punish women? Life must a brutal place through your eyes.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
What is this potential you speak of? I think you need to explain.
I think we're coming from this at fundamentally different directions. I think abortion is fundamental for women's rights in society as independent people who are capable of dictating thier own choices in life. You think the unborn child's rights are more important.
I see no way for us to be reconciled
I fear you may be right.
Where two 'rights' clash, who is going to play Solomon, IYSWIM?
innit
c'mon, little life giver
I knew you wouldn't be able to understand it
There are numerous sections of society who want to punish women, the pro-life lobby is just one.
lights.out.london
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I knew you wouldn't be able to understand it
There are numerous sections of society who want to punish women, the pro-life lobby is just one.
Blimey. That is pretty paranoid. These massed ranks of "moral majority"-ers, or Mary Whitehouse-types, all out to get 'women'.
I may be able to understand it, if you explain how I'm applying it to one situation and not another. Which 'another'? Have I missed a post?
spring-peeper
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Then you would support a woman's right to have an abortion after 24 weeks?
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wobbly
i've already explained that, go back and read the whole post again.
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