Prospective Tory policies

[Fedayn]

You assume the Scots want a load of English refugees.

I would actually have to consider moving there

same here

I'd seriously consider fucking off north of hadrians.

That's not the issue, there seems to be some naive belief that Scotland will be immune from anti-working class politics. A cursory glance at Glasgow in the recent few weeks will make that naivety seem rather silly.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Is setting fire to homeless people actually a policy or just a hobby common among party members?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

The worse one for me would be the selling of Housing Association property to sitting tenants. Making homes with affordable rents even harder to find.

Whoever gets in next, Labour or Tory, will do this

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Given Frauds unsuprising defection we can see workfare schemes being heavily pushed, yet more erosion of the welfare state.

And selling the NHS out the back door would be more heavily pushed.

Just like Labour will do

 

[_angel_]

The tories like unemployment; it cuts wages and conditions for working people!

They do, but they don't like it when the 'wrong people' are unemployed - middle classes and "hard working families". Ie it's okay to dump on some singleton or young person.

 

[bemused]

They will scrap free healthcare and free education. People earning less than £20,000 a year will be taxed at 50%, those on more than £50,000 at 10% and those in between will be given free Volvo estates and golf clubs.

They'll also make punching babies legal.

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

Ok say the torys get in , and have ten years in power what polices do we all think they might opt for given the supposed need to take public spending back to levels similar to those in 1970s?

The abolition of tax credits
attempt to scrap the minimum wage

I don't think they will scrap the NMW because that won't reduce government spending at all. Indeed scrapping the NMW might increase public spending, as more people claimed benefits. Scrapping the NMW would also reduce tax take, because people on NMW do pay a little bit of income tax.

 

[trevhagl]

I don't think they will scrap the NMW because that won't reduce government spending at all. Indeed scrapping the NMW might increase public spending, as more people claimed benefits. Scrapping the NMW would also reduce tax take, because people on NMW do pay a little bit of income tax.

But they'd also scrap benefits too.....incl tax credits that all these working class traitors who vote for them are on....

And anyone in the civil service will be fucked

 

[Fedayn]

And anyone in the civil service will be fucked

As opposed to now?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Everybody is banging on about them as if they are going to herald in a seismic change with this government, whereas everything points to more of same.

City academies? Lets have them for primary schools too. The Right to Buy for council tenants? Lets extend that to housing association tenants. Privitisation? There isn't much left to privitise but lets extend the role of charities and social enterprises in the welfare state just like Labour did.

The only real big difference between them at the moment is their attitude to the EU, with the Tories not being able to say a good word about it - although it remains to seen whether power makes them less belligerent about the EU than now.

 

[glenquagmire]

End of defined benefit pension schemes in the public sector.

Probably a ban on strikes in the public sector, or at least parts of it.

 

[nino_savatte]

The worse one for me would be the selling of Housing Association property to sitting tenants. Making homes with affordable rents even harder to find.

The Peabody Trust are already selling off properties that become vacant....especially when they're in areas where property values are high

 

[brasicritique]

and the gaurdian backs it all. They are already taking up the baton for 'flat rate' NHS charges and an education system based on ability to pay. That paper has really lost the plot there was even ana article arguing for increased immigration which without meaning to sound like duruti2 in the current economic climate is sheer political madness.They have gone from toynbee apologising for newshamebore to arguing in favour of tory polices After reading that it is clear that even the wooly liberals are now taking an extreme neo con or tory party line on everything wtf

 

[Divisive Cotton]

End of defined benefit pension schemes in the public sector.

Probably a ban on strikes in the public sector, or at least parts of it.

Tory policies which Labour won't reverse when they come back into power after the Tories.

As I wrote - it will be a continuation of the same government but with different personalities

 

[Zachor]

By bye to free bus passes for elderly people and school kids, bye to the money spent on equality and diversity initiatives.

I dont' think that the Tories would stop fundiing diveristy and equality but I think they would be a lot more robust in what they funded. I would forsee that the Tories would fund those equality and diversity projects that brought people together but IMO not fund those projects that divided. So for example projects that encouraged minorities to engage with the wider society would be promoted whereas projects that encouraged minorities to ghettoise themselves would be scrapped. I think this would be a good thing as the last thing we need going into a economic crisis is a divided society. Division in society may be a good earner for various 'diversity' professionals who have to manage this deliberately created fractured society but it does nothing to ensure the growth of a sensible tolerant multiracial society when most decent people wish to see.

I can also see a lot of faff being cut from the budget such as five a day coordinators or real nappy officers and shit like that. These are luxuries and cannot now be afforded (if indeed they could be afforded anyway).

Its a great indictment on New Labour that they didn't strengthen the organs of community for example state childcare etc etc when they had the opportunity and the money instead of wasting millions on supporting, funding and monitoring private childcare organisations. Similarily Brown's obsession with PFI has robbed the public purse of money that could havve been more usefully spent.

I remember the Thatcher years and I resent Brown and Blair for making me vote Tory in order to rid us of the New Labour nightmare.

 

[dennisr]

The Peabody Trust are already selling off properties that become vacant....especially when they're in areas where property values are high

Yep, and not even to sitting tenants - they are flogged off to property developers

The trust are using the excuse of needing cash to pay for the 'decent home standard' renovation work that that New Labour have demanded (while giving no cash to pay for the work themselves).

In my block (a small block of 10 two and one bed flats) at least three homes have been sold - divided into bedsits. In the flat directly above me, the four people who live there each pay as much as I do for the entire flat directly below (exact same layout - minus the kitchen and living room for them which is now two more bedrooms). The owner is a city lawyer who lives in leafy Dulwich. Mr Peabody will be turning in his grave.

Directly behind the Tate modern - on the Peabody Southwark Street estate they tried to sell off an entire block. You can imagine the potential buyers.

 

[dennisr]

I remember the Thatcher years and I resent Brown and Blair for making me vote Tory in order to rid us of the New Labour nightmare.

feck off you wingeing hypocite




(rather than "winging" hypocrite - rollyeyes at self)

 

[nino_savatte]

Yep, and not even to sitting tenants - they are flogged off to property developers

The trust are using the excuse of needing cash to pay for the 'decent home standard' renovation work that that New Labour have demanded (while giving no cash to pay for the work themselves).

In my block (a small block of 10 two and one bed flats) at least three homes have been sold - divided into bedsits. In the flat directly above me, the four people who live there each pay as much as I do for the entire flat directly below (exact same layout - minus the kitchen and living room for them which is now two more bedrooms). The owner is a city lawyer who lives in leafy Dulwich. Mr Peabody will be turning in his grave.

Directly behind the Tate modern - on the Peabody Southwark Street estate they tried to sell off an entire block. You can imagine the potential buyers.

The flat opposite me had been abandoned. I'd thought that I was doing my duty as a tenant by reporting it abandoned but I wished I hadn't done it now.

 

[tbaldwin]

I remember the Thatcher years and I resent Brown and Blair for making me vote Tory in order to rid us of the New Labour nightmare.

The reason we had the Thatcher years was that many traditional labour voters felt betrayed by Labour under Wilson and Callaghan and thought surely the Tories cant be any worse can they????????
They were wrong....spectacularly wrong.....DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE.

 

[dennisr]

The reason we had the Thatcher years was that many traditional labour voters felt betrayed by Labour under Wilson and Callaghan and thought surely the Tories cant be any worse can they????????
They were wrong....spectacularly wrong.....DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE.

you'll only start him off tb....

 

[brasicritique]

I don't think they will scrap the NMW because that won't reduce government spending at all. Indeed scrapping the NMW might increase public spending, as more people claimed benefits. Scrapping the NMW would also reduce tax take, because people on NMW do pay a little bit of income tax.

Ture on the flip side though if they scrapped it, or , as another poster has said let it wither away then surely they would argue that it was being done in order to boost buissness and stimulate an economic recovery

 

[Zachor]

you'll only start him off tb....

However, I do think that the Tories have changed considerably from the Thatcher tories. You couldn't imagine todays Tories bringing in something like Sect 28 now. I think that Camerons Tories have incorporated the changes that have occurred in society and are not the screaming bigots of old.

New Labour have treasonably let down the very people that the Labour party was set up to help and for this reason they are going to go.

 

[dennisr]

However....

- fella, you should be asking for payment for such services - well, above and beyond the call of duty

 

[Zachor]

- fella, you should be asking for payment for such services - well, above and beyond the call of duty

Are you saying I could earn MONEY from promoting one nation tory policies? Nice one where do I sign up?

 

[bemused]

End of defined benefit pension schemes in the public sector.

^this, I can see them closing them to new employees and retaining the existing schemes. I think Labour would have done this already but don't want the fight.

 

[nino_savatte]

However, I do think that the Tories have changed considerably from the Thatcher tories. You couldn't imagine todays Tories bringing in something like Sect 28 now. I think that Camerons Tories have incorporated the changes that have occurred in society and are not the screaming bigots of old.

New Labour have treasonably let down the very people that the Labour party was set up to help and for this reason they are going to go.

Apologist.

The truth is that the Tories are still the same party in spite of their cosmetic changes.

 

[Zachor]

Apologist.

The truth is that the Tories are still the same party in spite of their cosmetic changes.

Disagree I think they've changed as society has changed. Thats why they are still here after so many years.

 

[nino_savatte]

Disagree I think they've changed as society has changed. Thats why they are still here after so many years.

Really? Scratch away the veneer and one hears the same old guff as before. The words "caring" and "Conservative" are incompatible...but then you did support their hare-brained workfare ideas, didn't you?

 

[tbaldwin]

Disagree I think they've changed as society has changed. Thats why they are still here after so many years.

Yes of course they have changed. They had too if they wanted to win. Michael Howard etc was never going to work.
But how much have they changed? Cameron may not be as ideologically driven as Howard,Thatcher,Tebbit etc but he may be influenced by some very right wing people and ideas if/when he gets into power.
The majority of the Tory party still think Thatcher was great but know that its probably best if thery keep quiet about it
But the majority are Thatcherites and if the Tory party get back in power that majority will more than have their say.

 

[Zachor]

Really? Scratch away the veneer and one hears the same old guff as before. The words "caring" and "Conservative" are incompatible...but then you did support their hare-brained workfare ideas, didn't you?

I support people being made to contribute to society but that is not the same as 'workfare'. I've seen the debilitating effect of idleness and its not nice.

I dont' think that being centre right and caring are two mutually antagonistic things.