Proper 80's jazz funk

[toblerone3]

"Eighties Groove"
"Eighties Soul"

"Jazz Funk" is all wrong as a label makes me think more of early nineties music such as Galliano, Talking Loud and Incognito. Which is quite different.

 

[hammerntongues]

late 70`s not 80`s

Manu Debango - Big Blow
Charles Earland - Let the music play

Goldmine , Chris Hill , Shadows , Lacy , Froggy , All dayers , happy days and sweaty nights .

 

[pk]

"Eighties Groove"
"Eighties Soul"

"Jazz Funk" is all wrong as a label makes me think more of early nineties music such as Galliano, Talking Loud and Incognito. Which is quite different.

That lot fell under the "rare groove" moniker to me, probably because the people I knew that liked all that were harping on about it.

Was never my bag. From that West London scene came Jamiroquai. Say no more.

 

[BlackArab]

Rare Groove was 1970s stuff that became popular again in the 80s

 

[BlackArab]

It involved some Leo Gemelli jumpers and those Italian loafer shoes.

Guilty

you forgot Farah slacks btw

 

[pk]

Rare Groove was 1970s stuff that became popular again in the 80s

Yeah but, it was the same scene that gave birth to coffee table shite like Galliano.

 

[pk]

Guilty

you forgot Farah slacks btw

No I didn't - check the first post of the thread.

 

[BlackArab]

Yeah but, it was the same scene that gave birth to coffee table shite like Galliano.

Ha! the mythical Camden scene which The Face you used to harp on about. Some right ropey shite came out of that scene, Mother Earth anyone?

 

[BlackArab]

At Uni I had to write an essay about the decline of the NF after the 1979 election. I made a strong argument in it that the Jazz Funk scene (especially in the South East) had a bigger influence on their decline than the Rock Against Racism movement as it brought together white and black working class youth.

Anyone there at the time agree/disgree witht this

 

[BlackArab]

No I didn't - check the first post of the thread.

Prolly my mind trying to blank out the memory of my fashion mistakes, I do shed a tear in memory of my Leo Gemelli. it looked so well with me belcher draped casually over it.

 

[pk]

At Uni I had to write an essay about the decline of the NF after the 1979 election. I made a strong argument in it that the Jazz Funk scene (especially in the South East) had a bigger influence on their decline than the Rock Against Racism movement as it brought together white and black working class youth.

Anyone there at the time agree/disgree witht this

I would agree that it certainly helped. Plus all the heroes of the scene were working class black musicians.

Can't deny the influence of the 2-tone movement though, much of that was on the front line of militant racism and a reaction to all that retarded nazi punk/skinhead shite.

 

[BlackArab]

One of the quotes I used was from the Trevor Nelson documentary Soul Nation, it had Chris Hill recalling the threats they received from the NF over the all-dayers. So the far-right obviously saw it as a threat but if you read academic writings about the times it's never mentioned. My lecturer put this down to the middle class bias of most academics.

 

[pk]

One of the quotes I used was from the Trevor Nelson documentary Soul Nation, it had Chris Hill recalling the threats they received from the NF over the all-dayers. So the far-right obviously saw it as a threat but if you read academic writings about the times it's never mentioned. My lecturer put this down to the middle class bias of most academics.

Most middle class academics wouldn't have been invited to the parties, and even if they were they'd have sneered at the idea.

Fuck em, they were personified beautifully by Rik Mayall in the Young Ones.

I think the final nail in the coffin for the ugly racism of the age was electro funk.

Hard to strut around singing racist footy chants when everyone else is singing Grandmaster Flash.

Of course, the middle class academics will try and take the credit. Probably one reason why they're looked upon with such scorn by the real working class.

 

[iROBOT]

At Uni I had to write an essay about the decline of the NF after the 1979 election. I made a strong argument in it that the Jazz Funk scene (especially in the South East) had a bigger influence on their decline than the Rock Against Racism movement as it brought together white and black working class youth.

Anyone there at the time agree/disgree witht this

Totally agree. And it was expanded by the House Raves/clubs a few years later.

remember thinking that it was weird seeing whites and blacks in the same club as it was very segregated back in the day.

Now every white man wants to be a B-Boy.....

 

[BlackArab]

Another area I pointed out and also not mentioned by academia was the growing integration at the time of football hooligans, many of whom were Saturday night Jazz-Funkers.

 

[pk]

Another area I pointed out and also not mentioned by academia was the growing integration at the time of football hooligans, many of whom were Saturday night Jazz-Funkers.

One culture united the previously hate filled hoolie firms.

Ecstasy culture.

More important politically than anything Bragg or Weller tried to achieve!!

 

[dynamicbaddog]

Herbie Hancock - I Thought It Was You

that's one of my favourite tunes ever

There's an internet radio station that I've recently stumbled upon and become totally addicted to - the Vinyl Morpher, they play this sort of thing all day

 

[toblerone3]

I would agree that it certainly helped. Plus all the heroes of the scene were working class black musicians.

Can't deny the influence of the 2-tone movement though, much of that was on the front line of militant racism and a reaction to all that retarded nazi punk/skinhead shite.

I don't think 2-tone were "on the front line of militant racism"

 

[ViolentPanda]

But you say "funk" and people think more of Parliament or Prince, or James Brown.

It was called jazz funk back then. It involved some Leo Gemelli jumpers and those Italian loafer shoes.

And I think the "scene" was uniquely British.

And full of utter aural dogspunk-gobblers like Light of the World, Shakatak (I feel nauseous just writing that!) and Beggar and Co.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I would agree that it certainly helped. Plus all the heroes of the scene were working class black musicians.

Can't deny the influence of the 2-tone movement though, much of that was on the front line of militant racism and a reaction to all that retarded nazi punk/skinhead shite.

To be fair though, "nazi punk" hardly raised it's head in the UK, except in the case of a tiny minority of "Oi!" bands. You couldn't even really tag Sham 69's minority of racist followers as "nazi punks" because they were mostly skins who'd invade the stage and give it the Nazi salute.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think 2-tone were "on the front line of militant racism"

He's saying that they were on the frontline of opposing militant racism, hence the involvement of the two-tone label and bands like the Specials and the Selecter in RaR and the ANL gigs.

 

[BlackArab]

And full of utter aural dogspunk-gobblers like Light of the World, Shakatak (I feel nauseous just writing that!) and Beggar and Co.

Heretic! Shakatak might have been tad lightweight but the other two were class acts

 

[BlackArab]

One culture united the previously hate filled hoolie firms.

Ecstasy culture.

More important politically than anything Bragg or Weller tried to achieve!!

Another reason for the crackdown on the rave scene.

 

[pk]

He's saying that they were on the frontline of opposing militant racism, hence the involvement of the two-tone label and bands like the Specials and the Selecter in RaR and the ANL gigs.

Er, yeah... did that get mixed up LOL!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Heretic! Shakatak might have been tad lightweight but the other two were class acts

I worked late shifts with a bloke who used to have either Robbie Vincent or a tape of UK Jazz-Funk on. None of 'em were class acts after the third or fourth repetition in a week!

I'm still scarred, I tells ya!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Er, yeah... did that get mixed up LOL!

toblerone3 seems to have done so.

 

[BlackArab]

I worked late shifts with a bloke who used to have either Robbie Vincent or a tape of UK Jazz-Funk on. None of 'em were class acts after the third or fourth repetition in a week!

I'm still scarred, I tells ya!

Robbie was one of my main influences for that kind of music as we didn't have pirates in Bristol at the time. But I can sympathise with you, I used to work in a record shop with two metal freaks.

 

[Fictionist]

Totally agree. And it was expanded by the House Raves/clubs a few years later.

remember thinking that it was weird seeing whites and blacks in the same club as it was very segregated back in the day.

Now every white man wants to be a B-Boy.....

That is a seductive narrative but it isn't one that I totally agree with, especially when you consider the obvious split that emerged after Acid House became very popular. Whilst some (predominantly) white faces were screaming 'Acieeeed' other people were seeking solace with the Rare Groove/Hip Hop and blues party scene.

 

[iROBOT]

That is a seductive narrative but it isn't one that I totally agree with, especially when you consider the obvious split that emerged after Acid House became very popular. Whilst some (predominantly) white faces were screaming 'Acieeeed' other people were seeking solace with the Rare Groove/Hip Hop and blues party scene.

No, I'm talking about the clubs that used to be black (mostly Hackney area) and then Jazz Funk came alog and white people started to really get into black music. By the time of Acid and Rare groove the music had pretty much gone mainstream.

If you want Black clubs now, then go to the many bashment places around Kingsland Road....

 

[iROBOT]

Another area I pointed out and also not mentioned by academia was the growing integration at the time of football hooligans, many of whom were Saturday night Jazz-Funkers.

Casuals? Yeah remember them too (this threads a proper trip down memory lane)