Pro-Gun Florida Woman Shot by 4-Year-Old Son

[BandWagon]

its been brought up on several of the many 'idiot leaves 2yo and loaded gun together and is suprised by the results' threads - for some people (loons) a loaded gun is no different to your phone or car keys, something they lob onto the sofa when they walk in the door or chuck on the back seat when they get in the car.

it is an attitude so utterly removed from a European mentality that in trying to understand it you may as well try to have a conversation with a rock.

That's the difficulty I'm having. But then I wouldn't leave anything valuable lying around in the car either, like a wallet, for security reasons.

 

[BandWagon]

Because she LOVES guns.

Is there an echo in here?

 

[kebabking]

She must have been carrying it in public to put it on the backseat of her car, was the point.

no, 'public' doesn't mean 'in public view, but on private property' which would be the journey from her front door to her car, it means 'in public spaces'.

this stuff is all perfectly legal in the states - having an unsecured, loaded firearm in the car: front seat, dashboard, backseat, whatever, is all very legal.

 

[editor]

no, 'public' doesn't mean 'in public view, but on private property' which would be the journey from her front door to her car, it means 'in public spaces'.

this stuff is all perfectly legal in the states - having an unsecured, loaded firearm in the car: front seat, dashboard, backseat, whatever, is all very legal.

What could possibly go wrong?
Oh, wait...

 

[BandWagon]

no, 'public' doesn't mean 'in public view, but on private property' which would be the journey from her front door to her car, it means 'in public spaces'.

this stuff is all perfectly legal in the states - having an unsecured, loaded firearm in the car: front seat, dashboard, backseat, whatever, is all very legal.

But car parks would be public spaces. Maybe she went from the shops to the car. If she went from the house to the car that would be fine. But why wasn't the gun in the handbag, or in her pocket?

 

[seventh bullet]

The real filth round these boards is you, with your Anders Breivik-like fantasies about the slaughter of young kids.

What's up posh boy, still in a huff?

 

[MAD-T-REX]

But why wasn't the gun in the handbag, or in her pocket?

She was covertly testing her son's firearm discipline. I'd give him a C- on this occasion - bad but could have been worse.

 

[keybored]

Horrible incident, I hope the gun is ok <3

 

[Dogsauce]

But why wasn't the gun in the handbag, or in her pocket?

If she's a typical gun crank, it'd be because she already had another gun in the handbag, one in the pocket and a semi-automatic in the trunk.

 

[DownwardDog]

I am assuming the gun was a revolver, in which case if the child had enough strength to pull the trigger it would fire. But don't they have any safety catch at all? If it was a pistol then she must have left it with one in the spout which would have been unwise.

It was an automatic Colt M1911 .45ACP. It has a standard 4.9lb trigger pull so that's one buff four year old she's got.

 

[likesfish]

It was an automatic Colt M1911 .45ACP. It has a standard 4.9lb trigger pull so that's one buff four year old she's got.

Probably had a trigger job for better "response" some of them breathe on it and it goes bang

Tbf tge child identified the threat to his life and neutrilised it.

 

[Yossarian]

Her attitude seems weird from hundreds of miles away but I think if I lived in Florida, I would want guns for me, my 4-year-old, and even my gun.

 

[bimble]

i've posted this thing before somewhere but here it is again, the tally of US shootings by people aged 3 and under for last year, including 15 deaths. It's not that funny really, even if the parents are complete idiots.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

 

[goldenecitrone]

What's up posh boy, still in a huff?

You're on another planet Anders, you sad sack.

 

[seventh bullet]

You're on another planet Anders, you sad sack.

Following me around from thread to thread...

 

[Mr Moose]

I am assuming the gun was a revolver, in which case if the child had enough strength to pull the trigger it would fire. But don't they have any safety catch at all? If it was a pistol then she must have left it with one in the spout which would have been unwise.

Well she had been training him in what to do. Other American 4 year olds just get lucky.

 

[two sheds]

Horrible. That mother and child's trauma and the bullying told-you-so liberal filth.

Oh the irony.

 

[seventh bullet]

It's shallower than that. It's about appearing right on.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's shallower than that. It's about appearing right on.

Yeah; that would be unforgiveable. To be seen as right on. Rather call someone a "dumb bitch" instead.

 

[two sheds]

It's shallower than that. It's about appearing right on.

Well there's no need to try to appear right on, just stop doing it.

 

[seventh bullet]

Yeah; that would be unforgiveable. To be seen as right on. Rather call someone a "dumb bitch" instead.

Your post must mean something else, considering that I was being sarcastic.

 

[seventh bullet]

Well there's no need to try to appear right on, just stop doing it.

Where have I done that?

 

[two sheds]

Horrible. That mother and child's trauma and the bullying told-you-so liberal filth.

There. As if you cared about this mother and child's trauma.

 

[seventh bullet]

There. As if you cared about this mother and child's trauma.

What is right on about what I posted?

 

[krtek a houby]

Your post must mean something else, considering that I was being sarcastic.

Ah; humour. Missed that. My bad.

 

[seventh bullet]

I don't think you understand irony, either. But we'll deal with the context of my posts first...

 

[two sheds]

What is right on about what I posted?

Glad you didn't object to me saying you don't actually care about their trauma. That would have been particularly hypocritical since you've told someone here to kill himself.

"liberal filth" - looks a right-on thing to say to me. Why is it liberal filth to point out the irony in a right-wing gun nut being shot because she didn't take basic safety precautions? In your answer, please bear in mind that you've told someone here to kill himself. Can I call that liberal filth or perhaps illiberal filth?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I am assuming the gun was a revolver, in which case if the child had enough strength to pull the trigger it would fire. But don't they have any safety catch at all? If it was a pistol then she must have left it with one in the spout which would have been unwise.

There's nothing wrong per se with leaving a round chambered. The argument is that if you are going to carry a gun, you carry it in a state where it's ready to use as quickly as possible. If as reports say it was a 1911 style handgun there are two safeties on it, the slide lock and one in the handgrip. Standard procedure with these is to carry them with a round in the chamber and the hammer locked back. The two stage safety in theory makes this perfectly safe to do so.

None of this works however, if you leave it in the back of a car with a 4 year old

 

[seventh bullet]

Glad you didn't object to me saying you don't actually care about their trauma. That would have been particularly hypocritical since you've told someone here to kill himself.

"liberal filth" - looks a right-on thing to say to me. Why is it liberal filth to point out the irony in a right-wing gun nut being shot because she didn't take basic safety precautions? In your answer, please bear in mind that you've told someone here to kill himself. Can I call that liberal filth or perhaps illiberal filth?

Did you read the OP, the links in it?

Yes I do care if a young child is in a situation it doesn't understand and can seriously injure or kill his/her parent and what that must do to both of them. I will also see people given only partial information via the media to see themselves as having the 'green light' to rub her nose in it, people who are on one side of a debate that I am not a part of in a society I don't live in but nevertheless I don't think it is going to serve a purpose in helping them both recover. Thats the last thing that's important. It's about being smug and superior. And this kind of ugliness is similar to the chav-bashing we see here. Let's laugh at the thickos not like us. And quite frankly, if some nasty little shit wants to throw drive-by classist insults at me and at my own family (and a tasteless joke of mine on another thread used as a moral cover for it) then yes he can go and kill himself.

 

[two sheds]

Did you read the OP, the links in it?

Yes I do care if a young child is in a situation it doesn't understand and can seriously injure or kill his/her parent and what that must do to both of them.

Exactly. And how would you go about reducing the risks of that?

I will also see people given only partial information via the media to see themselves as having the 'green light' to rub her nose in it,

I saw the original story. I'm interested in what the missing information is, though, if you can fill it in.

people who are on one side of a debate that I am not a part of in a society I don't live in

you never comment on debates in societies you don't live in? I don't believe you.

but nevertheless I don't think it is going to serve a purpose in helping them both recover. Thats the last thing that's important.

How is the OP going to hinder their recovery? They're urban members and they'll be very sad when the see the thread?

It's about being smug and superior. And this kind of ugliness is similar to the chav-bashing we see here. Let's laugh at the thickos not like us.

I took it to be the irony of someone who wants fewer controls on guns discovering the problems inherent in fewer controls on guns. Of course I don't want her to be shot that's one of the reasons I dislike right-wing gun nuts they normally make things more dangerous for everyone round them. The best way for her not to be shot is for her not to have guns around .... oh wait

Why shouldn't actions like these be criticized? That's a very liberal position you're taking.

yes he can go and kill himself.

now you're just being a child.