Discussion in 'general sports' started by The Boy, Oct 18, 2017.
Having read the Sky statement rather than the BBC senstaionalisation of the story I tend to agree.
How is it a non story? Froome tested at 2,000ng/ml for Salbutamol. DIego Ulissi got a 9 month ban for 1,900ng/ml...
All fine bar the one day he was double the limit.
They've known about this for three months, if they could have disproven it they would.
Yeah. So he’s decided to cheat on just one day? Nah.
So what would it take for you to believe Froome is a doper if, apparently, a positive dope test isn't enough?
That argumentcuts both ways.
If he was tested 18 times and only one test was questionable then it’s unlikeky he was cheating at all.
It’s not a positive dope test tho is it?
Is it not banned at the level he had?
What happened on stages 17-19? I mean in terms of the race situation and Froome's performance?
It's not "questionable". It's an outright fail (A and B samples) and double the permitted level even with a TUE. It's also higher than the concentration that's possible with an inhaler...
Froome had the red jersey from stage 3 and never looked like losing it.
He lost time on stage 17 and made it back up on 18 - are there any contemporary post stage 17 reports of him reporting feeling sick/breathing probs i wonder?
I didn’t say the result was questionable!
The truth about cycling and asthma - Cycling Weekly
There's some excellent info on the reddit peleton thing.
I understand he took double the normal permitted doSe of 16 puffs in one day. As an asthmatic, 16 puffs is excessive, but 32!
I wanted to believe in Froome and/or sky...its all down to solicitors now, which is no way to sort these things out.
a sad day.
To be fair tho you aren’t an asthmatic international sportsman!
Where do you understand that from?
A Guardian journo, not fotheringham. On r4 this am
I can't believe Froome has serious chest problems. If some has a serious chest problem needing 16 pigs a day, I bet they would be put on a nebuliser or oxygen.
There sure are a lot of asthmatics riding bikes for thousands of kilometres up 15% gradients every year.
I really do recommend that reddit thread i posted above.
Who’d have thought that pushing your body through what is arguably the toughest endurance sport in the world might make it susceptible to illness.
WADA's rules themselves seem to allow excessive use of Salbutamol with a maximum of 1600 mcg (16 puffs) permissible over a 24 hour period or 800 mcg (8 puffs) permissible over a 12 hour period without a TUE. The inhaler manufacturer's maximum advised usage is half that at 800 mcg (8 puffs) over a 24 hour period.
A possible defence for overuse is that the puffs get weaker as the canister approaches emptiness. In other words, you might need more than one puff to get your 100 mcg dose.
A butchers said, read the Reddit thread.
There's something linked on there called exercise-induced asthma. This might be why you see so many elite athletes with it.
Also, there are links that show that this medication does not give a direct performance boost in healthy individuals, though it can be used as a fat burner/weight loss tool. And the only way this is possible is via ingesting it, not inhaling it.
Ingesting it is banned in sports.
Exercise induced asthma is a very controversial issue in itself. Sports teams, for some reason, uniformly tend to hire doctors on the side of that controversy who believe it is real and very prevalent among endurance athletes. Cynics might suggest that this is because sports teams are more interested in the medication than the complaint.
Whatever the truth of the matter is, Froome, Wiggins, team Sky are now permanently tainted by this question of 'cheating' .They'll always have that cloud of suspicion hanging over them. Their achievements have been compromised by this. And there's no turning back from that now.
The most interesting part about it is that in neither case has strong evidence emerged implying use of traditional rocket fuel. We aren't talking about the kind of taint that comes with, say, a former team soigneur saying they administered testosterone or EPO, the athlete denying it, but everyone knowing the score. Instead what has emerged in both cases is evidence that substances which are in some circumstances legal are being used by the team in ways that they are not supposed to be used.
It sounds counterintuitive, but a case could be made that they wouldn't need to be pushing the boundaries of the permissible with corticosteroids, salbutamol and the like quite so hard if they were doing the old school EPO/blood bag shuffle.
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