Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
so how much does a primary teacher get paid at first?
Primary school teachers where's the men?
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Because it is...society looks upon men who teach at that level as being unable to teach in secondary school.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Jackobi
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Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
that's not the same as saying it's not a man's job.
and anyway, why would that matter?
a primary school teacher doesn't necessarily want to teach in secondary school. that's why they're teaching in a primary school surely?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
as an NQT inner london? about £25,000
last year's pay calculators here.
it's a pay spine and you go up one point a year, essentially. Ignore TLR - it refers to middle management allowances (actually, worth saying - less management potential in primary as no heads of dept / year / house in most cases).
There you go... piss poor average job really. Considering all the studying teachers do. 5 years?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
oh.
<toys with the idea of doing something else>
grinder lives on less money than that. and it goes up every year.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
i don't though. i don't want to take a paycut.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
4. degree plus one year in most cases, though you can do a BEd, which is four years.
It means that most graduates (unless your degree is not relevant to the curriculum for your age group) only need to do a one year course.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
JHE
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That's not true.
Sure, there have long been more women - and there's nothing wrong with that, but the change, which some people are sad or bothered about, is that there are nowadays hardly any men going into primary teaching, for the reasons people have mentioned, so the current level of men among primary teachers - is it 15%, 10%? - is declining little by little as teachers retire and may soon get to the point of a male primary school teacher being a very odd creature.
(I must admit I have not seen any bang up to date figures on this. I am going on figures I read and half-remember in the TES three or four years ago. There have been some recent attempts, including some strange nonsense, to get men in. I don't know if there's been any success.)
scifisam
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£26k inner London from this year. Simple listing here.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
not even for thirteen weeks holiday?
scifisam
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After an honours degree. It's not like you can go in straight after your A levels.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
well that would be nice, but pointless if i can't afford to go anywhere. i have trouble enough managing my finances on my current salary - i'm crap with money.
though maybe having less of it would make me better.
Is it? I thought you had to do a degree then a teaching course.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
yeah, i meant for graduates
scifisam
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Doctors' training isn't all postgraduate either, though.
Jackobi
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Perhaps another area in which being a male is advantageous.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
sure, but someone starting out on a medicine course intends to be a doctor. people often do a a degree, do other jobs, then decide to be a teacher, so for them it's only a year
Jackobi
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why?
Possibly not so much for Primary schools, but the majority of Heads and Deputy Heads seem to be male, at least historically. Although, I am speculating.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
but that's true in management of almost all industries, isn't it? it's just worse in primary because it is so unrepresentative of the workforce. But women tend tot to reach senior management positions at the same rate as men due to interrupted careers / childrearing.
Jackobi
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oh.
<toys with the idea of doing something else>
It's not a good wage if you are living in London, a pound goes a lot further 'up North'.
£30,000 a year is an above average wage in most regions outside of the South-East, which is achievable after around five years.
catinthehat
Failed VK = Replicant
Feminised labour force.
It did used to be more balanced but as more women came into the workforce - and with the holidays it facilitates childcare so is a popular option for women the same effect as always happens - more part timers, less union membership/activism, reduced status and terms and conditions. This puts off men and the imbalance gets worse. Add to that the moral panics over paedophiles. Add to that the PNC checks (and males are more likely to have criminal records than females) which dont always debar but often put people off applying - that will skew against males.
If you compare the starting salary of a police officer and a teacher in 1950 and every ten years to date you can see how the salary has eroded. Ditto comparisons with other graduate salaries.
In other areas of teaching there is better balance and in some slots the balance is the other way - heads, Profs, Chairs, Chancellors, Govs, Board Members, Faculty Heads.
I do have a male mate who teaches primary school - he always contends it is the best job for conveying 'I am a great bloke' message to women. Maybe they should have an advertising campaign based on that to bump up numbers.
There is some research on reading and gender - boys seeing reading as a female activity which is not helped by the lack of males at Primary I dont suppose - certainly at primary level data shows girls achievement as being above boys. Though you cant isolate the 'teachers gender' variable from that.
It did used to be more balanced but as more women came into the workforce - and with the holidays it facilitates childcare so is a popular option for women the same effect as always happens - more part timers, less union membership/activism, reduced status and terms and conditions. This puts off men and the imbalance gets worse. Add to that the moral panics over paedophiles. Add to that the PNC checks (and males are more likely to have criminal records than females) which dont always debar but often put people off applying - that will skew against males.
If you compare the starting salary of a police officer and a teacher in 1950 and every ten years to date you can see how the salary has eroded. Ditto comparisons with other graduate salaries.
In other areas of teaching there is better balance and in some slots the balance is the other way - heads, Profs, Chairs, Chancellors, Govs, Board Members, Faculty Heads.
I do have a male mate who teaches primary school - he always contends it is the best job for conveying 'I am a great bloke' message to women. Maybe they should have an advertising campaign based on that to bump up numbers.
There is some research on reading and gender - boys seeing reading as a female activity which is not helped by the lack of males at Primary I dont suppose - certainly at primary level data shows girls achievement as being above boys. Though you cant isolate the 'teachers gender' variable from that.
No, sorry, it isn't; I was just being a bit of a dick.
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I don't think there has ever been a lot of men in early years primary teaching
the junior end may well be different but 3-7's has always been female dominated.Otherwise we would have all known lots of male primary teachers.
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