Pride & Predudice crap/not crap

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You won't be in the market for

Pride and Prejudice and Zombies

The Classic Regency Romance—Now with Ultraviolent Zombie Mayhem!

wicked! i'll check that out for sure!

obviously not 'crap' but my days of Austen are well and truly over. thank gawd.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

She was living in a time of huge politcal ferment, social disorder and poverty. Not once does this make anything but the vaugest of intrusions into the privilliged banaliaty of her subjects.

Um, maybe you should re-read then. Admittedly her works never touched the real poor (I suspect because it was totally out of her experience), but there's a massive theme in her works about relative middle class "poverty", the politics of marriage, and more specifically being fucked if you were a woman without a man who deemed to look after you. As I said earlier, I don't exactly think she was alone in not writing about the working classes in her day, and tbh, it's probably better she just wrote about what she knew well. But there is a lot of social commentary there within her sphere.

 

[Melinda]

Mansfield Park and Persuasion arent my favourite novels, the heroines are rather passive and put upon- but they are the books in which the most social mobility is depicted. The rising up through society by means of service in the navy is a major theme.

Slavery is touched on by Fanny in Mansfield Park at the dinner table FFS. She is the sole person to challenge her uncle about it.

Austen's final unfinished manuscript featured a mixed race 'mulatto' heiress sent from the West Indies to England. Hardly reactionary i think.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Mansfield Park and Persuasion arent my favourite novels, the heroines are rather passive and put upon- but they are the books in which the most social mobility is depicted. The rising up through society by means of service in the navy is a major theme.

Slavery is touched on by Fanny in Mansfield Park at the dinner table FFS. She is the sole person to challenge her uncle about it.

That's what I found annoying about Mansfield Park - I knew exactly why Fanny was the heroine, but there was something about her that was really irritating!

In some ways, perhaps Austin was one of the first to show that the personal is the political.

 

[Melinda]

Its definitely my least favourite Austen novel.

Fanny is totally irritating- she has no say in her own destiny and she's ok with it. She sits there observing, quietly judging everyone. Mrs Norris' cutting remarks to her actually made me laugh!

I much preferred Mary and Henry Crawford to Fanny (or any of her cousins), at least they lived a life!

Edmund was such a drippy dick (sorry to use 'language' this early), he was awful. His finally deciding to 'settle' for Fanny after having spent the entire novel chasing Mary made me puke. Only Fanny's gratitude was more stomach churning.

 

[scifisam]

Fanny was a snide little martyr sitting in the corner thinking about how she's really so much better than all those popular people.

 

[Madusa]

Rather liked her, myself.

 

[Melinda]

Contrarian!

Defend your postiion!

 

[sojourner]

but there's a massive theme in her works about relative middle class "poverty", the politics of marriage, and more specifically being fucked if you were a woman without a man who deemed to look after you.

Even though I know all that, I still think it's utter fucking shite

 

[Madusa]

who you talking to, melinda?

 

[Melinda]

who you talking to, melinda?

You

Everyone else finds Fanny annoying...

E2a.

Ive just realised you could have been talking about Jane Austen generally! Sorry

 

[Melinda]

Even though I know all that, I still think it's utter fucking shite

Thats really harsh! Its of its time for sure, but there are still women who look to their husbands to confer social status on them.

The 'rich man, pretty wife' paradigm is not exactly obsolete.

 

[seeformiles]

Mrs SFM invites her pals round to get drunk and watch the 2 dvd BBC version. Not really my thing - the humour is a bit too gentle for my liking. I like something a bit more savage. Also dislike her writing style - all that spinning out a sentence for 3 pages through clever use of punctuation does my head in - probably due to having to read "Mansfield Park" at A-level and hating it since nothing ever seemed to happen.

 

[Madusa]

You

Everyone else finds Fanny annoying...

E2a.

Ive just realised you could have been talking about Jane Austen generally! Sorry

Ooops, I got mixed up with Elizabeth.(P&P) It's Lizzy I like, lol

 

[Melinda]

Yes I like Lizzy too, cant be doing with Jane though.
She's another one who silently frets and never lifts so much as a finger to impact her own destiny.

 

[Miss Potter]

not sure if I've posted this before but it made me

austenbook

 

[Wolveryeti]

Neighbours for snobs.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Neighbours for snobs.

This ^

 

[Donna Ferentes]

It's irony you halfwit.

 

[Madusa]

Hey, Donna.

 

[sojourner]

Thats really harsh!

*shrugs*

S'just my opinion, isn't it? I've never got on well with novels of that ilk.

 

[The Groke]

Blimey - look who has come in from the cold!

Ullo Donna.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Christ, Austen would have had fun with some of the people on this thread.

And none of them would have noticed.

 

[The Groke]

And none of them would have noticed.

Or perhaps just have been utterly indifferent.

 

[sojourner]

Oh ho ho, yes, very good Donna. Austen's right up your street - all that sneering

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Or perhaps just have been utterly indifferent.

Utterly inert perhaps.

 

[The Groke]

Well quite - we have already established that she is incapable of moving me.

 

[DotCommunist]

The classic authors are never boring- it's just that the lumpen reader doesn't 'get' it.

ho ho

 

[8den]

I think this (genuine book out in May) is going to be the definitive version of the book.

Pride and Prejudice and Zombies features the original text of Jane Austen's beloved novel with all-new scenes of bone-crunching zombie action. As our story opens, a mysterious plague has fallen upon the quiet English village of Meryton--and the dead are returning to life! Feisty heroine Elizabeth Bennet is determined to wipe out the zombie menace, but she's soon distracted by the arrival of the haughty and arrogant Mr. Darcy. What ensues is a delightful comedy of manners with plenty of civilized sparring between the two young lovers--and even more violent sparring on the blood-soaked battlefield as Elizabeth wages war against hordes of flesh-eating undead. Complete with 20 illustrations in the style of C. E. Brock (the original illustrator of Pride and Prejudice), this insanely funny expanded edition will introduce Jane Austen's classic novel to new legions of fans.

 

[Kaka Tim]

It's irony you halfwit.

How so?

Its essentially soap set amongst the landed gentry.

And are you equating people who don't like/ despise Austen with stupidity?

FYI i understand it well enough to see its well crafted shite.