Price of your soul, per annum
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When people think of being well paid they don't tend to equate this with being poorly paid but working vast amounts of hours even if this is often the real truth of the matter.
When someone offers me work (typically cash-in-hand type stuff) I usually *always* work out how much I am getting per hour of my time, and by time I mean door-to-door and including travelling expenses etc. It's only after doing this that I work out how attractive the figures are to me when weighed up against not doing the job - ie the marginal utility. Of course this martginal utility varies with a) how broke I am ... but for instance I might do the job once to get the first lot of money but decline doing it every day for some time because after I am no longer broke the marginal utility of the money declines and the hassle factor of giving up other things grows.
Sure, for many people the usual approach to work is a take-it-or-leave-it salary, but for me this has been the exception rather than the rule - it has been far more common for me to have to decide day to day if I want to do certain jobs, and how much I am willing to accept to do them. This is also common for many self-employed people and other people who run their own businesses or get the own customers and jobs, people who are signed up with agencies or people who do casual and cash-in-hand work.
When someone offers me work (typically cash-in-hand type stuff) I usually *always* work out how much I am getting per hour of my time, and by time I mean door-to-door and including travelling expenses etc. It's only after doing this that I work out how attractive the figures are to me when weighed up against not doing the job - ie the marginal utility. Of course this martginal utility varies with a) how broke I am ... but for instance I might do the job once to get the first lot of money but decline doing it every day for some time because after I am no longer broke the marginal utility of the money declines and the hassle factor of giving up other things grows.
Sure, for many people the usual approach to work is a take-it-or-leave-it salary, but for me this has been the exception rather than the rule - it has been far more common for me to have to decide day to day if I want to do certain jobs, and how much I am willing to accept to do them. This is also common for many self-employed people and other people who run their own businesses or get the own customers and jobs, people who are signed up with agencies or people who do casual and cash-in-hand work.
strung out
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It depends, I'd probably take a job doing supervisory work or junior management in a company just so I could earn a decent wage and live. To persuade me to work for some huge corporate shite company in a nasty go getting profit driving job, I'd have to be offered £60k/annum if not more. Even then I think I'd have severe reservations about doing it and would have to think long and hard about the direct effect my job might have on other people either positively or negatively. For something that seriously compromised my moral values, for example working for a big multinational corporation with proven poor track records in unethical business or some other such job, it would be very doubtful I'd take the job at all, no matter how much I was offered.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Well having just watched lord of war and came away thinking international arms dealer that looks like a cool job 
. I think I need a new moral compass .
Ashamed to say easily seduced by pay .
. I think I need a new moral compass .Ashamed to say easily seduced by pay .
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
What if the job you do is paid for by advertising?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Persuading people to buy things they don't need is pretty bad innit?
Orang Utan said:
But what if someone doesn't know that something exists and would be helpful to them?
Or what if a company is trying to advertise a big price cut? Or a sale? Or just someone advertising an event. How about when charities advertise?
Advertising is just dishing out information. Some of it is 'good'. Some of it is 'bad'.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
"By the way, if anyone here is in marketing or advertising...kill yourself. Thank you. Just planting seeds, planting seeds is all I'm doing. No joke here, really. Seriously, kill yourself, you have no rationalisation for what you do, you are Satan's little helpers. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself now. Now, back to the show. Seriously, I know the marketing people: 'There's gonna be a joke comin' up.' There's no fuckin' joke. Suck a tail pipe, hang yourself...borrow a pistol from an NRA buddy, do something...rid the world of your evil fuckin' presence"
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Of course, I'm judging advertising by its worst examples - selling unsustainable lifestyles to gullible people is fucking sick and wrong.the B said:But what if someone doesn't know that something exists and would be helpful to them?
Or what if a company is trying to advertise a big price cut? Or a sale? Or just someone advertising an event. How about when charities advertise?
Advertising is just dishing out information. Some of it is 'good'. Some of it is 'bad'.
han
love is the answer
I couldn't do a job I morally disagreed with for any money.
I did it in a VERY minor way once (3 months at a web design agency where I had to design a website for a fucking PUBLIC SCHOOL - it made me want to stick pins in my eyes/slash my wrists). The people were all arseholes at that place, they really were. I felt like puking every morning for 3 months. Call me oversensitive. I admit it, I am!
If you're tough enough to be able to completely surpress your feelings and work through the pain then it must be very useful to be able to suck the devil's cock for a living. (ie. you'd be able to save shitloads and then go and live in a yurt in devon and live off berries
)
Actually it's surprising how many people not only CAN sell their souls for a living but actually get off on it.
I did it in a VERY minor way once (3 months at a web design agency where I had to design a website for a fucking PUBLIC SCHOOL - it made me want to stick pins in my eyes/slash my wrists). The people were all arseholes at that place, they really were. I felt like puking every morning for 3 months. Call me oversensitive. I admit it, I am!
If you're tough enough to be able to completely surpress your feelings and work through the pain then it must be very useful to be able to suck the devil's cock for a living. (ie. you'd be able to save shitloads and then go and live in a yurt in devon and live off berries
)Actually it's surprising how many people not only CAN sell their souls for a living but actually get off on it.
Just wanted to point out that, although I'm a whore, I do not consider myself a "corporate" whore. I work for a company that provides a service to multinationals, the multinationals pay my company, my company pay me.
The good news is that nobody loses (except me
). Generally, it's a win-win situation.
Otherwise I wouldn't do it.
Woof
The good news is that nobody loses (except me
). Generally, it's a win-win situation.Otherwise I wouldn't do it.
Woof
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Jessiedog said:
Why do you have no choice Jessie?
Mmmm, I'm very bad coz I wouldn't/won't do work that's cack anymore. Been there, done that and actually better off on the sick
Money has never been an incentive for mwe to do things.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
it would depend. i'd like to say never, but who knows. there are degrees. i WON'T work for many many companies / sectors for moral reasons and it's made it really hard to consistently stay in work. but fuck it.
It's a tough one gem.geminisnake said:
I have responsibilities.
I don't want to lose my home.
I don't want to lose my dogs.
I like going out.
I like to drink, smoke and ingest.
I have no savings or pension.
I'm no spring chicken.
I'm fearful of being old, alone and poor.
My work is stressful and demanding and, during rush hour, the travel is a real slog, but the pay just about covers all of the above (apart from savings or pension, which is a problem).
I'm fortunate in that I consider what I actually do to be ethical - nobody gets hurt, everybody benefits - and I also do my work in an ethical, straightforward, honest, way.
I'm not unfamiliar with long periods of being inbetween opportunities.
Ultimately, of course, it's a choice, but it feels as if the alternative would be very dark, so often it seems like not much of one.
AND I've been having a bad few months anyway.
*sigh*
Still, I'm hoping for a job change in the near future (negotiations are down to the wire,) and if it comes off, things should be a wee bit better. I've been headhunted by a firm to do the same thing as I do at the moment but in a bit more of a leadership position, so I'll be working with a team of three or four others instead of being a single person unit. The dosh should be a wee bit better and the opportunity to really build something solid and stable is clear.
If I get the role, I'll still be working just as hard (at least for the first couple of years), but it's a firm that is focussed, has a plan, is prepared to invest AND, actually came to find ME to execute the plan
.I've always been hopeful of finding a niche in my working life where I can feel at home, build something that lasts (so I can then throttle back and yet still enjoy a good income), grow as a person, support and mentor others, etc.
Maybe this one will be it.
I kind of like what I do and would like to find a way to create something good for myself that will last for a long time and be stable, so I don't have to worry so much about the future of my finances.
Fingers crossed.
Woof
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Hope it all goes well for you then. Fingers crossed indeed
Surely it depends how much you need the money?
Also depends if you want to do it for life, or to give you enough experience to move on to something else, or move country etc...
My last job was in advertising (1 year!), piss-poor advertising. It does suck selling your 'creativity' to el diablo, it sucks the life out of you. However, I've managed to save a bit of money to now bugger off and do something more 'worthwhile'... it's a trade off, one I'd rather would not have wanted to make, but I want to move, go somewhere else.
"Persuading people to buy things they don't need is pretty bad innit?"
Mmmm...People persuade themselves. What does one actually 'need'? I also think they're more influenced by what their neighbours/friends/bakers are driving/wearing/listening to then the actual shitty small ad they saw in the back of the local paper....
Previously I worked in a factory, making a tiny hole slightly bigger, on brackets for Ford Fiesta car seats....at £3.something an hour. It was a horrible and shit job. No thanks, no money, no nothing.
just face it...capitalism: it's rubbish and we're all complicit somehow...</RANT>
Also depends if you want to do it for life, or to give you enough experience to move on to something else, or move country etc...
My last job was in advertising (1 year!), piss-poor advertising. It does suck selling your 'creativity' to el diablo, it sucks the life out of you. However, I've managed to save a bit of money to now bugger off and do something more 'worthwhile'... it's a trade off, one I'd rather would not have wanted to make, but I want to move, go somewhere else.
"Persuading people to buy things they don't need is pretty bad innit?"
Mmmm...People persuade themselves. What does one actually 'need'? I also think they're more influenced by what their neighbours/friends/bakers are driving/wearing/listening to then the actual shitty small ad they saw in the back of the local paper....
Previously I worked in a factory, making a tiny hole slightly bigger, on brackets for Ford Fiesta car seats....at £3.something an hour. It was a horrible and shit job. No thanks, no money, no nothing.
just face it...capitalism: it's rubbish and we're all complicit somehow...</RANT>
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Go back to advertising - £35K and up
Work for a polluting industry (oil, chemical) - £60K and up
Work for the defense industry - £100K and up (supplemental to this - I'd work for someone like 'Janes' for £40K inc commission)
Work in Iraq for Halliburton - £200K and up
Work for a polluting industry (oil, chemical) - £60K and up
Work for the defense industry - £100K and up (supplemental to this - I'd work for someone like 'Janes' for £40K inc commission)
Work in Iraq for Halliburton - £200K and up
han said:I couldn't do a job I morally disagreed with for any money.
I did it in a VERY minor way once (3 months at a web design agency where I had to design a website for a fucking PUBLIC SCHOOL - it made me want to stick pins in my eyes/slash my wrists). The people were all arseholes at that place, they really were. I felt like puking every morning for 3 months. Call me oversensitive. I admit it, I am!
If you're tough enough to be able to completely surpress your feelings and work through the pain then it must be very useful to be able to suck the devil's cock for a living. (ie. you'd be able to save shitloads and then go and live in a yurt in devon and live off berries
Actually it's surprising how many people not only CAN sell their souls for a living but actually get off on it.
This sounds like my last job. I'm currently unemployed, I was a croupier and things don't get much worse than that. Immoral, unethical sick obsessive types hanging around all day. Even though you don't feel it at first it slowly get to you, draining the lifeblood from you. Murphy54 gave my answer 'never'.
