Prem home grown player rule - def next season

[kabbes]

Ummm have the eu commented about this yet?

Surely it can't be legal under freedom of movement type laws?


dave

You're right -- they're messing with European players' right to play.

 

[Teaboy]

Funny that hargreaves counts as a foreigner, but Ronaldo wouldn't

Surely an English international would be counted as an English player?

 

[London_Calling]

read the rules init.

 

[kabbes]

Surely an English international would be counted as an English player?

We've been over this. It isn't about being English. It's purely about where you played football before the age of 21.

 

[internetstalker]

internetstalker - All I'm doing is responding to the point above that 19 out of 25 at Man Utd were, for this purpose, home 'grown'.

fair enough

it's 21 out of 34

 

[internetstalker]

Surely an English international would be counted as an English player?

not if he trained in germany from the ages of 18-21

 

[kained&able]

We've been over this. It isn't about being English. It's purely about where you played football before the age of 21.

but you reckon if they were trained in spain they should have the same right to play as if they were trained in england?

That is my interpretation of the legal situation.

dave

 

[kabbes]

Learning your football at Celtic or Glentorran is right out then. But what about doing an Ian Wright and coming into football later in you career?

 

[kained&able]

or what happens if you were a non league player(ie not a pro) untill your team got promoted to league 2(or got signed by a pro team) when you turned 22.

would they count? kevin phillips springs to mind.

I see a lot of bosman types cases happening in the next decade or so.

dave

 

[ericjarvis]

Dumb. It's fixing a problem that doesn't exist. There's no problem with young players coming through into the England set up. The U21s, U19s and U17s have never been as good for as long as I can remember. Mostly using players at Premiership clubs. There would be more gained by doing some decent publicitiy for U21, U19 and U17 internationals so that the moaners could see what's there.

Capping the size of the squad will only encourage the retention of versatile and reliable players over the ones fans actually want to watch, the erratically brilliant specialists. It's not going to help anyone directly, and it will probably do a lot of damage to the Premiership. However it might indirectly help the Championship, so I'm not against it as such.

 

[tommers]

the important bit isn't the 8 homegrown, it's the squad being limited to 25.

That'll be interesting.

 

[kabbes]

You're right, I hadn't noticed that.

Harry Redknapp is fucked then, isn't he?

 

[kained&able]

Another thing i have thought of.

Say you have a promising 17 year old and you decide to send him out on loan for a year or two to get first team experience to say celtic.

Would those years count as english training or the scottish system? What if they then come back and get injured for a year? are they still being trained?

I reckon there will be a ridiculous number of young uns going out on loan if the squad is capped to 25.




dave

 

[stupid kid]

Ummm have the eu commented about this yet?

Surely it can't be legal under freedom of movement type laws?


dave

But they're not barring all european players, just saying this is how many you can have. Not to mention that the clubs are in charge of who they want to employ and they've all agreed to this.

 

[tommers]

You're right, I hadn't noticed that.

Harry Redknapp is fucked then, isn't he?

I can't wait for all the moaning. Harry rolls out the bare bones speech when he gets down to about 50 players.

As Dave says, even West Ham have a squad bigger than 25 and that's with Zola saying he wants a squad of 22 and having to sell loads of people.

I guess it won't apply to European or Cup competitions though so fringe players could get a run out there I suppose.

I like it. There's going to be a few egos punctured in the next year or so.

 

[kained&able]

our squad of 30 does include people like oli lee and bondz n'gala though.

don't think zola counts them as first team squad.


dave

 

[internetstalker]

Also

If it's only a squad of 25 peeps

how does it work bringing youth & reserve players into the team??

 

[newme]

Also

If it's only a squad of 25 peeps

how does it work bringing youth & reserve players into the team??

It doesnt really unless your squad is ridiculously trim and theres the space to chance putting them in your rotation. Infact wouldnt be exclude them more than anything, some players might get a few subs appearances that they now wont as they wont have made the 25.

 

[newme]

Additionally how does this work with injuries etc? What if you have 2 goalies registered and the both are out for some reason, are you unable to then play your promising 18 year old english keeper who might have got some valuable match experience otherwise without the cap to help homegrown players...

 

[kabbes]

The more I think about it, the more counterproductive the rule seems. Which big club is going to take a chance of putting some untested youth player into their precious 25?

Did the people involved actually question what they were trying to achieve with this rule and work out whether the rule would achieve it?

 

[newme]

Really doesnt seem like they have thought it through. If a team has too many foreigners under this rule there will be almost forced sales of those players as otherwise they are being paid to do nothing all year. Prices for homebred (under the rules) players will skyrocket as them fitting in with the rules becomes more important, admittedly this does increase demand for players with domestic experience but will force up prices making foreign players cheaper comparitively and therefore more desirable for the teams with less cash to throw around.

The loan market for youth players going abroad or to other clubs for experience will certainly be interesting, with clubs with an excess of players for the squad they have wanting them to gain experience, but not being able to send them abroad for it. Nor wanting to loan within the premier league as it helps rivals. Division 1 could see a lot of high quality youngsters being loaned out there I spose as it keeps them in the country but gives experience they wont now be able to get on the offchance in the premiership because of overly tight squad restrictions.

 

[newme]

Suppose in that way it would promote more youngsters coming through and staying in england, as they are basically forced to until they are 21 anyway if they want to increase their chances of premiership football greatly. Plus the tight restrictions force big clubs to have players go elsewhere for experience and get more football at a higher level than they might have done otherwise.

Fail to see how its gonna stop clubs simply nabbing youngsters from abroad so they have 3 years of english football before they are 21 tho.

 

[strung out]

you're not limited to 25 players. you can top up the 25 with as many homegrown under 21s as you like.

 

[kabbes]

you're not limited to 25 players. you can top up the 25 with as many homegrown under 21s as you like.

That doesn't appear to be the rule, I don't think? It says that there will be a "squad cap of 25 players".

 

[kabbes]

you're not limited to 25 players. you can top up the 25 with as many homegrown under 21s as you like.

That doesn't appear to be the rule, I don't think? It says that there will be a "squad cap of 25 players".

Look (bolding mine):

The Premier League will introduce a squad cap of 25 players and a quota on home-grown players from next season, chief executive Richard Scudamore has confirmed.

 

[newme]

you're not limited to 25 players. you can top up the 25 with as many homegrown under 21s as you like.

That would make more sense, but doesnt appear to be the case unfortunately.

 

[tommers]

you're not limited to 25 players. you can top up the 25 with as many homegrown under 21s as you like.

and can they then play?

I'm confused.

Right.. say Spurs announce their squad of 25 players and then, inexplicably, they are all kidnapped by Al Qaeda and transported to Saturn where they are crushed by the atmospheric pressure, burned by the massive temperatures, poisoned by the gasses and then blown into their consituent atoms by a hitherto unknown massively advanced Saturnian civilisation.

Can they then play Danny Rose?

Or not?

 

[kabbes]

Ah, but would they want to?

 

[tommers]

Ah, but would they want to?

If it's him or David Bentley then yeah, probably.



David Bentley cost 15 million pounds by the way. Just to remind people.

 

[newme]

Ah, but would they want to?

Would he even want to after that, Id be a little suspect of the entire squad having been inexplicably kidnapped and brutally murdered frankly and the management saying, Hey, fancy a game now?.